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To: Abd al-Rahiim
Alexander Morse...Treatise on Citizenship...pls note 4 after the yellow marking. I posted the 1863 Edition. Treatise On Citizenship Preface XI  Alex Morse Photobucket Photobucket
44 posted on 04/30/2011 8:29:40 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
Again, I'm not disputing that de Vattel wrote that natives have citizen parents. I'm pointing out that de Vattel himself did not use the phrase "natural-born." Morse either used a translation or did the translation himself when he cited de Vattel.

The question is, "What would a reasonable person living at the time of ratification have understood these words to mean?" The Constitution, with the phrase "natural-born citizen," was ratified in 1788. de Vattel never used the English phrase "natural-born citizen," for he wrote in French, and not everyone translated "les naturels ou indigènes" as "natural-born citizen."

But the British had long defined the phrase "natural-born subject," and a reasonable person living at the time of ratification was a "natural-born subject" of the British Crown until 1783. He would've used the English common law definition of "natural-born subject" applied to "natural-born citizen," not one way of translating a Swiss legalist's writing that doesn't even contain the phrase "natural-born citizen."

55 posted on 04/30/2011 9:43:24 AM PDT by Abd al-Rahiim
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