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1 posted on 04/23/2011 1:48:47 PM PDT by dangus
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One of the big costs with glass is HANDLING IT SAFELY so that it doesn't break. The bigger the load the easier that job is. Your typical small sheet jobs (for hobbyists) are more expensive to handle on a per pound rate.

There's no way around this problem either.

I've heard of people who were into using beer bottles as a source for all sorts of things ~ but that was years back. Today's beer bottle glass is a high tech product ~ wear your goggles and heavier shirts, tunics and headdress when messing with that stuff.

BTW, we have an art center in Northern Virginia called the Torpedo Factory. There have been glass artists there since it opened about 4 decades ago. They'll tell you all about it ~ if you are anywhere near the DC area. Blanko glass is a few hours away and they do "art glass". One of my old neighbors back in the hood was the main stained glass guy in Indiana ~ he wouldn't do any of that stuff at home because it wasn't safe (he said but what did he know). I used to hang around at his house a lot ~ guy did paintings, sculpture, clay, etc. His wife was also an artist.

Personally I am not going to try melting glass ~ too dangerous for my tastebuds.

2 posted on 04/23/2011 1:57:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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I have no personal experience, but watching glass blowers working and then finishing off their products, I have seen them use butane or propane hand torches quite extensively.

As far as the glass goes, I don’t believe the quality of beer bottles will match the blanks one gets from Corning et al for this purpose.

I have a small glass collection, love the stuff.


3 posted on 04/23/2011 1:58:31 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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Art glass is of a higher quality than beer glass.
My husband has cut with a Dremel. He went through a phase he was making drinking glass.
Just be careful, have fun.
4 posted on 04/23/2011 2:02:02 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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That’s like asking why different metals have different characteristics. Lots of different kinds of glass out there.


5 posted on 04/23/2011 2:04:44 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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Using a torch to slump (bend) small areas may work. It's extremely imprecise though. Fusing is a different beast entirely. Some types of glass, even in a 'professional' environment (time consuming warm up, cool down kiln) will simply not fuse. Beer bottles, that you mentioned, often contain different additives and simply will not bond correctly.

The best way to polish is rough grinding then heat. If you're interested keep an eye out for a used kiln. A torch sounds frustrating. :)


6 posted on 04/23/2011 2:05:08 PM PDT by allmost
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7 posted on 04/23/2011 2:08:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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When you see (real) glassblowers you are typically seeing a pot of molten glass sitting in a furnace, then gathered onto the blowpipe, then worked, then shoved into the furnace, worked, back to the furnace, worked, and then finally annealed in (that or another, lower-temp furnace) to relieve the internal stresses. Some glassworkers use a torch to re-heat stuff once out of the furnace, but my impression is that small, handheld torches are appropriate only for very small stuff. If your heat source is inadequate, I suspect it will lead to frustration because it will either require you to hold the torch on the work for a heck of a long time, or, by not being able to spread out the heat, create internal stresses which will cause lots of breakage.

There are inexpensive ways to cut off bottles and such without creating as much of an inhalation hazard that a Dremel tool & abrasive will produce. Also, I’d suspect that getting a nice, even cut around a bottle with a handheld tool is not going to be that easy...and if you can do a semi-good job, then you have to grind the lip and there’s your dust again. There are bottle-cutting kits on ebay, these were sold as hobby items and they are out there.

Allegedly, and I have never tried this: If you fill a bottle to the point where you want it cut off with oil and then plunge a red-hot iron rod into the liquid, the bottle will snap off from the temperature shock. Wear gloves, have a facemask on, don’t have your face over the opening!!

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1973-09-01/Cutting-Bottles-The-Easy-Way.aspx


8 posted on 04/23/2011 2:13:15 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (The New Normal. Same As The Old Awful.)
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My sister does fused glass work with a kiln, plates, frames etc.many shapes and colors and she says you have to know the source and composition of the glass because all of the materials in the glass have different melt rates and cool rates causing shattering and cracking when least expected. slow heating melts best and temp changes throughout the piece. takes practice practice


9 posted on 04/23/2011 2:14:34 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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If you need something really hot use a Bernzomatic torch with MAPP gas. When I was a kid, I used to bend and blow glass tubing using just an alcohol burner with a breath operated blow pipe.


11 posted on 04/23/2011 2:20:40 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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Good quality glass is hand-made. I use a tile cutter to cut and snap straight lines. Takes some practice.


13 posted on 04/23/2011 2:47:16 PM PDT by tumblindice
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If you use a dremel on glass, use water to stop breathable dust from forming. Lots of water.


16 posted on 04/23/2011 3:04:55 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Islam...Imperialism in a turban.)
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I have made a number of things from glass using either a propane torch or a bunsen burner. There is plenty of heat for the job. Use a nozzel that gives a large spread rather than a pinpoint flame. You can make a bunsen burner for a propane torch tank; however, it has been some years since I made one of those.

Use "Pyrex" or "Borosilicate glass" since it will resist cracking as it cools. You can protect the glass while it cools by coating it with carbon right after you work it. This can be accomplished by turning the oxygen almost off on the bunsen burner or by wrapping a cotton ball arounf the glass and allowing that to smolder and leave a carbon deposit. Be careful with this, lest you burn yourself.

You can fabricate tools to shape the glass from graphite rods, like those used in carbon-arc torches. You can find sources of graphite material on the web.

If you are planning to seal electrodes in the glass, use small diameter copper that you have oxidized with a quick exposure to a torch flame.

I have made vacuum tubes before. With a little practice, you will be able to shape glass in surprising ways. I've been thinking about making tubes once again; and, now I know how to draw a really hard vacuum. (Oil diffusion pump)

17 posted on 04/23/2011 3:06:30 PM PDT by GingisK
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...I'm thinking maybe I should use beer bottles...

Glass from bottles will break while you heat it, or while it cools. Those bottles are made in machines that blow the bottle using an inert gas, and then slowly cools them over twelve hours or so.

The process of relieving the heating/cooling stresses on glass is called annealing. That requires an oven that can follow a pre-programmed temperature curve.

18 posted on 04/23/2011 3:10:05 PM PDT by GingisK
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You can for small things but it will take longer...You really need a torch that mixes in oxygen for higher temp. Small ones can be bought fairly cheaply. Look up prices at sites like waleapparatus.com, mountian glass arts, flametree.

The first thing you need to do is ventilate the area you are working the glass as lead and other chemicals are released when working glass...a fan behind you with windows or garage door open works to start out.

You really also need a kiln if you want what you create to survive, especially larger pieces, because the kiln with take the stresses out of the glass that will cause breakage points later.

21 posted on 04/23/2011 4:44:36 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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Btw, you can run one of those small torches on a medical oxygen concentrator and your propane tank from your outdoor grill.
22 posted on 04/23/2011 4:55:16 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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Btw, you can run one of those small torches on a medical oxygen concentrator and your propane tank from your outdoor grill.
23 posted on 04/23/2011 4:55:27 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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Also, anyone know why hobby glass would be so expensive? I mean, they sell cheap beer in this stuff? Why am I seeing just simple billets selling for ten dollars per pound? I'm thinking maybe I should use beer bottles. I don't drink a lot of beer, but I'm thinking maybe I should start! HHOK.

Yes, glass is expensive but unless you are going to do big things such as vases and bowls which would take a furnace then you do not go through that much glass.

If you use things like beer bottles then you definitely need a kiln because you need to heat the bottle before it goes into the flame because it will explode on you. Bringing it up to temp will keep that from happening.

24 posted on 04/23/2011 5:03:22 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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And does anyone have much experience with trying to cut it with a Dremel? I know they polish it really well, but if I try to cut into it, and I going to release a spray of powder with microfine cutting edges?

Masks....when you go to those glass blowing sites look up safety mask if you are going to cut glass.

25 posted on 04/23/2011 5:07:44 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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There are small table top kilns for fusing glass. I do stain glass windows and usually by sheets 2 ft. by 2 ft. You have to remember to wear heavy gloves when picking up the glass and don't ever pick it up by the sides. You pick it up by the top. If it slips out of your hand and your not wearing gloves and holding it by the sides, it can cut to the bone...I got careless one time and without gloves picked up a large sheet by the sides and it slipped. I grabbed my hands and didn't want to even look at the damage. It could have been worse, but it hurt like he!!. Glass can be bought by the square foot. Price depends on the glass. Some is very expensive, I like to use Spector/sp. glass, its the cheapest, comes in many colors and is easy to cut. Need a good diamond point glass cutter, don't try cheap cutters that you can get in the hardware store...
26 posted on 04/23/2011 6:15:44 PM PDT by goat granny
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We have had beer bottles melt in our firepit, lots of hot coals.

On a serious note - this week our city Grand Rapids Michigan is having an art competition, this is one of the entries, a fountain made of colorful old glass ashtrays with holes drilled through the center. It is really quite pretty and I thought you would like to see it. Sorry it's not a real link but just go there I think you will like it.

http://www.artprize.org/63176

33 posted on 10/05/2016 1:52:47 PM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper). Time to Pray, Prepare, and Participate.)
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