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To: TheBigIf
"I will never believe that either Jefferson or Washington would of been on the side of the Confederacy. "

"The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions (or Resolves) were political statements drafted in 1798 and 1799, in which the Kentucky and Virginia legislatures resolved not to abide by Alien and Sedition Acts. They argued that the Acts were unconstitutional and therefore void, and in doing so, they argued for states' rights and strict constructionism of the Constitution. They were written secretly by Vice President Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, respectively.

The principles behind the resolutions became known as the "Principles of '98". Adherents argue that the individual states can judge the constitutionality of central government laws and decrees, and can refuse to enforce laws deemed unconstitutional. Such refusal was called nullification in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1799, while the Virginia Resolutions of 1798 refer to "interposition" to express the idea of the states’ right to "interpose" between the federal government and the people of the state."

"Jefferson would have been appalled at the path his political party took from the Confederate democrats up to their transistion into becoming the Progressive demcorats."

I'm sure that most southern Democrats prior to 1963 would be appalled by today's modern progressive Democrats, whose political philosophy derives from the old northeastern Republican progressives dating back at least to Teddy Roosevelt in 1912:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)

108 posted on 03/20/2011 11:46:49 AM PDT by Pelham (California, Mexico's most recent colony.)
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To: Pelham

Disagreeing with the Constitutionality of a certain law is not equivelent to agreeing with unilateral secession by a ruling party or class in any given state.

And as far as your next statement, the Confederates formed the People’s party directly after the Civil War which competed with the Progressives at first but then merged with it. Wilson the first democrat President after the Civil war filled much of cabinet with Confederate democrats as well as gave resurgence and support to their terrorist group, the KKK.

The Confederacy, the Progressive movement, the People’s party, the KKK, were ALL democrat created and run. Thoughof course just as today we see republicans who are RINOs and support Progressives the same existed back then as well.


110 posted on 03/20/2011 11:53:25 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Pelham

Just to elaborate onn your first point abit more.

Nullification of a federal law, or the creation of a Constitutional crisis, is a legitimate recourse. Yet the Confederates had no regard for the COnstitution at all and through secession deemed to remove a state(s) from under it’s law completely without any recourse unnder the rule of law.

I fully support a state being able to challenge the Constitutionality of federal acts or laws but I do not at all support the ridiculous notion of ‘unilateral secession’ as being some sort of right.

Why not allow individuals to claim unilateral secession then as well? A person could just decide that there land is no longer under the juridiction of the laws of the United States and our Constitution.

It is ridiculous to me that there is anyone here at FR supporting such a notion.


113 posted on 03/20/2011 12:02:02 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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