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To: ConservativeMan55
He showed a map and asked the question.. if all the countries fall around Iraq.. how will our troops even get out of that country???

We have these things called "aircraft." I'm surprised Glen hasn't heard of them.

4 posted on 03/02/2011 11:44:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah but aircraft don’t fly too well when surrounded by enemies


6 posted on 03/02/2011 11:45:24 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: EternalVigilance

Yup. And you don’t need no stinkin’ chalkboard to know that.


7 posted on 03/02/2011 11:45:45 PM PST by max americana
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL LOL


22 posted on 03/02/2011 11:56:30 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: EternalVigilance

The U.S. Air Force and the U.S. Air Force Reserve’s job is to Fly and Fight into a country and out of a country. The path they could easily take is thru Jordan and Israel. If some camel jockey air force is dumb enough to try and stop them then their air forces will look like lawn darts scattered all over the desert. Oh and Israel is our friend, the real question is; is The U.S. America their friend? With Obozo and Hitlery pissing them off at every turn, it’s any wonder!


39 posted on 03/03/2011 12:15:47 AM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yep we do, but what if we are surrounded and our Aircraft can be shot down? What about no fly zones and they say we cannot use their airspace?


69 posted on 03/03/2011 4:08:11 AM PST by panthermom
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To: EternalVigilance
We have these things called "aircraft."

You mean to say that they didn't all walk to Iraq! LOL!

73 posted on 03/03/2011 4:15:22 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Oh Magoo, you've done it again.....)
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To: EternalVigilance

That assume our Air Force will be allowed to fly in and remove our troops, not by the Muslims as has been suggested by many on this thread but by Obama himself.

In a scenario eerily similar to the Phillipines in the last days of 1941 our troops on the ground could find themselves with no way out because Obama will refuse to anger the Iranians and leave them there as a bargaining chip for Iran to do the right thing on the world stage.

Call it the Jimmy Carter Option....


81 posted on 03/03/2011 4:44:36 AM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: EternalVigilance

It takes time to get that many people out by aircraft ... might not be pretty.


128 posted on 03/03/2011 8:00:16 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: EternalVigilance
We have these things called "aircraft." I'm surprised Glen hasn't heard of them.

I'm ex Air Force. Flight instructor, combat crew, plus did a bit of strategic war planning. Studied military history at the Air Force Academy (class of 1973). I did not see Beck's show, but it sounds like he raised a legitimate strategic issue.

It's almost certain that running away from Iraq would be done under VERY adverse circumstances. Assuming we somehow got our people out, getting our equipment out would be even more difficult.

Believe me. Getting our troops out by air if every country surrounding Iraq suddenly turned hostile would be VERY difficult. Assuming we could provide a secure air space over a hostile country (i.e., an act of war...), planes would need a place to land, and a secure place to take off from. They have limited range, so you can't just fly them to anywhere.

Assuming we could get the troops to Israel, we still could not get their equipment out. That would require naval or land access.

Naval would require loading in a hostile port within easy range of Iranian attack, plus secure passage through the Hormuz Strait. Land would require secure passage through Iraq and Jordan. If both these nations had turned hostile, that would mean fighting our way out.

Iraq is actually NOT our worst problem. Afghanistan is. We have insecure supply lines in Afghanistan. The nation is land locked and surrounded by potentially hostile countries. If we were chased out of the country there is absolutely no way we could get our equipment out. We MIGHT be able to secure the air with planes based on aircraft carriers, but getting thousands of people out with planes small enough to land on an aircraft carrier would be impossible. That means we would have to fly them from the nearest friendly airport. The nearest friendly airport could easily turn out to be India. Under these circumstances we could not fly this type of plane over Pakistan, so they would have to first overfly hostile territory to the ocean, and then take the long way around to India. The logistics would be a nightmare, as would maintaining a secure departure point.

Scoff all you want. But some of the worst military disasters in history were caused by troops getting cut off, unable to be resupplied, and unable to fight their way to safety. For relatively recent examples, look at the British at Dunkirk. Getting their troops out was a miracle, and their equipment was lost. Adolph Hitler blundered his way to the loss of hundreds of thousands of troops in Russia by insisting on strategies that got them surrounded and cut off. Napoleon lost an army when he could not supply them during a Russian winter. The French lost Indochina when a key part of their army was surrounded and cut off from resupply at Dien Bien Phu. The list goes on and on.

With a competent Commander in Chief I would not expect a disaster scenario to have much chance of actually happening. But with the Imposter as CIC, I'm not sure he has the ability to prevent this. I'm not even sure he would WANT to prevent it.

144 posted on 03/04/2011 9:43:14 AM PST by EternalHope (You can't make a deal with the Devil, or reach across the aisle to Obama.)
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To: EternalVigilance
We have these things called "aircraft." I'm surprised Glen hasn't heard of them.

Yeah, I think he has. And he has probably also heard of stingers.

183 posted on 03/08/2011 6:42:09 AM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993905/posts)
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