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To: Happy Rain

I went back and looked at my original post, and dang if I can see how you got acceptance or approval out of it. I have just been fascinated by history for 40 years and enjoy discussing it.

But whatever blows your skirt up.

I got a laugh out of your apparent notion that I was approving of homosexuality. Let me try to explain why.

I find odd the notion among many conservative Americans that homosexuality is something peculiarly evil. Certainly I believe it a moral wrong, but in the New Testament, for instance, the apostle Paul does not specifically single out homosexual acts, but rather includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers, thieves, covetous persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners WITH homosexuals as among those who will not inherit the kingdom of God. In fact, Paul sticks “those who have sex with men” right in the middle of the list. 1 Corinthians 6.

There are few people alive who haven’t committed at least one of these sins during our life, and if we are honest most of us will agree we have committed more than one of them, often many times. Personally, I’ve committed at least four of these during my life, which is why I try to not be overly judgmental of others as people. Not that I always succeed in that.

From my perhaps limited understanding of the Bible’s teaching on the subject, homosexual acts are just one group of the good many sexual sins included in the Greek term porneia, translated into English as fornication, and which consists of all sexual activity outside marriage.

The odd thing to me is that many if not most conservative Americans appear to have decided, in practice if not necessarily in theory, that sexual sins involving people of opposite sexes are not really sins, at least before marriage, while those involving homosexuality are uniquely sinful. Certainly there is a gread deal more denunciation of A than B, from the pulpit and elsewhere. I don’t see how this notion can be derived from the scriptural text, although it is easy to see how it might be popular among the considerable majority who are tempted to commit one and not the other.

Thus, since I believe in the Biblical idea that ALL sex outside marriage is fornication, and equally prohibited by God, in all likelihood I am more sexually conservative than 90% of freepers.

I agree that the “homosexual agenda” of trying to portray such sins as positive and good is peculiarly evil, but not tremendously more so than the “sexual revolution” of the 60s and later, which appears to have been nearly totally successful at creating a similar climate of acceptance for opposite-sex fornication, serial polygamy/adultery thru divorce, etc.

Homosexual acts involving boys are of course peculiarly evil, but then so is sexual molestation of girls. The additional evil springs from the corruption of innocence, not so much the gender of those involved.

If you can point out where I’m wrong, using logic or facts or scriptural reasoning rather than denunciation, I’m always willing to reconsider my position.


77 posted on 01/02/2011 12:45:26 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
The odd thing to me is that many if not most conservative Americans appear to have decided, in practice if not necessarily in theory, that sexual sins involving people of opposite sexes are not really sins, at least before marriage, while those involving homosexuality are uniquely sinful. Certainly there is a gread deal more denunciation of A than B, from the pulpit and elsewhere. I don’t see how this notion can be derived from the scriptural text, although it is easy to see how it might be popular among the considerable majority who are tempted to commit one and not the other.

The odd thing to me is why you persistently attempt to equivocate homosexual sex with heterosexual sex, an abomination with sin.

Give it a rest already Jim Wallis wannabe. YOU are the one with notions.

78 posted on 01/02/2011 3:01:49 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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