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TESTING VALIDATES HYDRINO THEORY
The American Reporter ^ | December 19, 2010 | Joe Shea

Posted on 12/20/2010 1:24:08 AM PST by Kevmo

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To: THX 1138

That approach to an inductive area of research is, unfortunately, probably valid. Wait & see for a couple of years. By that time, the outcome would be deductive rather than inductive.

The trick for scientists is to find the proof, one way or another, to find the piece of the puzzle that brings this from an inductive pursuit to a deductive one.

I consider this hydrino theory to be one of several that might explain cold fusion.

Here are the 2 that I think are the best:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/SinhaKPamodelfore.pdf
Sinha, K.P. and A. Meulenberg. A model for enhanced fusion reaction in a solid matrix of metal deuterides.
in ICCF-14 International Conference on
Condensed Matter Nuclear Science. 2008. Washington, DC.

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LawandyNMinteractio.pdf

Interactions of charged particles on surfaces

Nabil M. Lawandya Department of Physics and Division of Engineering,
Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island 02903, USA
Received 5 October 2009; accepted 11 November 2009; published online 7
December 2009

Charges of the same polarity bound to a surface with a large dielectric
contrast exhibit an attractive long-range Coulomb interaction, which
leads to a two-particle bound state. Ensembles of like charges
experience a collective long-range interaction, which results in
compacted structures with interparticle separations that can be orders
of magnitude smaller than the equilibrium separation of the pair
potential minimum. Simulations indicate that ensembles of surface bound
nuclei, such as D or T, exhibit separations small enough to result in
significant rates of fusion. (c) 2009 American Institute of Physics.


41 posted on 12/20/2010 3:46:32 AM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kevmo

Thank you for posting this.

I’m sorry that you are being attacked also over the claims in the article.

If the technology pans out I think the quality of life all over the world will improve and if it doesn’t then nothing changes. In the meantime the research is fascinating.


42 posted on 12/20/2010 3:48:46 AM PST by The Working Man
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To: Kevmo
Ironically, the BlackLight Power facilities are located in Cranbury, N.J., a small town 8 miles from the Princeton University labs where Albert Einstein once toiled and 37 miles from the West Orange, N.J., laboratories of Thomas Edison.

It might also be said that they are located only ten miles from the place Martians were said to have landed in 1938.

43 posted on 12/20/2010 3:49:31 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: BRK

” I believe that any kind of true energy breakthrough will change the world more than any other single thing.”

That may be because you ascribe the worlds problems to oil rather than human nature. A world that is positvely crammed with oil, oil shale, oil sands, coal etc does not need a wonder substance; it already has one.


44 posted on 12/20/2010 3:51:03 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I forgot to add that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
***Cold fusion findings are ordinary claims and they are providing ordinary evidence. Hundreds of peer-reviewed articles, hundreds of replications over the last 20 years.

You’re the one that invoked the laws of physics, not me.
***Your post was sentence after sentence basically reaffirming what I said. Get a grip.

The whole article is just one non-sequitor following another.
***Just like your posting behavior.

Call me when I can buy a hydrino powered car that has reasonable performance for less than a Corolla.
***Again, this is raising the bar. Your approach is thoroughly invalid. Why can’t we free up $20B for research into this area which has already produced thousands of megajoules and ignition when the Tokomak reactors have produced 6 megajoules?

The bar for hot fusion has been self-ignition and sustained reaction. We’ve spent $billions and got neither over 50 years. All the while in this backwater technology, guys have produced both.

A typical cold fusion experiment using Seebeck calorimeter
costs roughly $50,000 including all equipment, and they are run by volunteers and retired professors. Some have produced 50 to 300 megajoules in one run. They have achieved the two goals hot fusion has failed to reach for 60 years: breakeven and full ignition.

The Tokamak Fusion Test Reactor (TFTR) at the Princeton University Plasma Physics Laboratory, U.S. Department of Energy cost “about a billion dollars” to construct and $70 million a year to operate. It produced 6 megajoules in one experiment, the world record run for hot fusion.


45 posted on 12/20/2010 3:56:54 AM PST by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: tutstar

Read. Later


46 posted on 12/20/2010 3:57:03 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Slings and Arrows
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonthinking_Kneejerk_Response
47 posted on 12/20/2010 4:00:36 AM PST by aruanan
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48 posted on 12/20/2010 4:16:38 AM PST by jla
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To: Kevmo

Visit the wikipedia page I linked to in another post. It refutes all your assertions (I have no doubt you’ll pooh pooh Wikipedia but the article contains links to research refuting Mill’s “science”). You ad hominem attacks on posters who disagree with you really do nothing to support your case plus your claim to have made money in cold fusion immediately puts your support for balcklight in the suspect category. It would seem you’re here to shill for a company, not enlighten.


49 posted on 12/20/2010 4:22:38 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Kevmo

Tell it to NASA!


50 posted on 12/20/2010 4:23:33 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: saganite; Kevmo
Black Light has been making this claim for decades and have also claimed independent verification in the past. They claim to be able to violate the laws of quantum physics.

The "laws of quantum physics"? There are no such things. There are descriptions and interpretations of observations.

Here is the key question: is what has been traditionally described as the ground state of hydrogen, reached by the spontaneous emission of a photon, truly the lowest energy state the hydrogen atom can reach? Yes, if you're relying upon getting there by the spontaneous emission of a photon; no, if you're able to use a catalyst to transfer the energy and allow the electron to reach a lower energy state.

The next question is whether this can be and has been done. Your argument amounts to "No, because Schrödinger, Bohr, and Dirac said so." Mills has produced novel compounds formed using the lower energy state form of hydrogen. It comes to "No, you can't" versus "Sorry, I already have."* Your only recourse, then, is to charge fraud--and when you do that in print, based only on "the laws of quantum physics say no," you are in the territory of libel.

*Spectroscopic and NMR Identification of Novel Hydride Ions in Fractional Quantum Energy States Formed by an Exothermic Reaction of Atomic Hydrogen with Certain Catalysts, R. Mills, P. Ray, B. Dhandapani, W. Good, P. Jansson, M. Nansteel, J. He and A. Voigt - 03/13/03 The European Physical Journal - Applied Physics 28, 83-104 (2004), among many more.
51 posted on 12/20/2010 4:24:06 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Kevmo

Sounds like another energy hoax. A lot like global warming and cold fusion.


52 posted on 12/20/2010 4:34:56 AM PST by BuffaloJack (The Recession is officially over. We are now into Obama's Depression.)
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To: Kevmo
These guys are complete and utter crackpots.

It isn't even good nonsense.

53 posted on 12/20/2010 4:35:19 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Kevmo

Highly unlikely that it is environmentally safe. Dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is known to be toxic. It has killed huge numbers of people. Furthermore it is an environmental pollutant even more widespread than CO2 and is detectable in rivers and lakes throughout the country. Huge majorities of the country believe that it should be totally banned.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html


54 posted on 12/20/2010 4:39:32 AM PST by Ghotier
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To: saganite

..... Science is not advanced by lingering within comfortable and well understood bounds. But stepping beyond those bounds inevitably invites skepticism. I’m not qualified to judge either the validity of hydrino power generation claims or the veracity of its supporters. But Thomas Edison did not believe in the concept of alternating current. Even after Tesla had invented an efficient AC generator, Edison aggressively and publicly campaigned against it (albeit mostly due to commercial considerations). Sometimes even the most astute and accomplished minds can be wrong. Hydrino technology deserves ample time to prove or disprove itself, just as is being done with fusion technology.


55 posted on 12/20/2010 5:01:50 AM PST by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: Kevmo

Ways to work around the law of conservation of energy have been around for at least 100 years. They are an excellent way to make money off of the gullible. Unlike mans laws, the laws of physics are absolute.


56 posted on 12/20/2010 5:19:59 AM PST by Dennis M.
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To: Senator John Blutarski
Hydrino technology deserves ample time to prove or disprove itself,

It is shear and utter crackpot lunacy. There is nothing to prove except that PT Barnum was right. Are you one of those fools, or is it just the investors?

57 posted on 12/20/2010 5:22:28 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Kevmo
I'm sure BlackLight has an excellent, effective method...

... of separating investors from their money.

You can't be serious. This is the chemical equivalent of a perpetual motion machine.

58 posted on 12/20/2010 6:07:15 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Onward to the battle royal!)
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To: backwoods-engineer; Kevmo
You can't be serious. This is the chemical equivalent of a perpetual motion machine.

No, it's not. Try to think just a little bit beyond your reactions, not that reaction is thinking.

Is it possible to set up a system in such a way that putting a tiny amount of energy into a reaction in that system can get back hundreds or many thousands of times more energy than you expended in getting the reaction started?
59 posted on 12/20/2010 6:18:49 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Senator John Blutarski

Black Light is so patently fraudulent that I don’t need a physics degree to see that. I’ll take the word of many physicists who have looked at Mill’s work and declared there are gaping holes in his math and conclusions. If there were merit there they would see it. They don’t.


60 posted on 12/20/2010 7:11:15 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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