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To: Tublecane
Can you read? It does NOT say the 14th “only” naturalizes people.

Apparently you can't. Lets look at the whole footnote.

"14 We note the fact that the Court in Wong Kim Ark did not actually pronounce the plaintiff a “natural born Citizen” using the Constitution‟s Article II language is immaterial.

[Gee Tub, Indiana admits that Gray did not claim Ark a natural born citizen. He did not because Ark was not a natural born citizen.]

For all but forty-four people in our nation‟s history (the forty-four Presidents), the dichotomy between who is a natural born citizen and who is a naturalized citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment is irrelevant.

[The operative word above between NBC is "AND" - who was naturalized under the 14th Amend.]

The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 705, 18 S. Ct. at 478"

That's right Indiana and you trolls here; you guys are jumping to the erroneous conclusions that Ark or Obama are natural born is just silly. I also pointed out that Marie Elizabeth Elg was not running for president but to stay in the United States as a citizen, however the Supreme Court went ahead and ruled her to be a natural born citizen because she had US citizen parents and she was born in the US of A.

980 posted on 11/17/2010 3:02:38 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; Tublecane

“Can you read? It does NOT say the 14th “only” naturalizes people.”

Your Answer: “NO, I CAN’T READ.”


982 posted on 11/17/2010 3:10:55 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Red Steel

“Gee Tub, Indiana admits that Gray did not claim Ark a natural born citizen”

So do I.

“He did not because Ark was not a natural born citizen”

No, he did not because it was not at issue.

“The operative word above between NBC is ‘AND’ - who was naturalized under the 14th Amend.”

I don’t think “and” is particularly important. But, yes, we are dealing with the distinction between NBCs and naturalized citizens as specified in the 14th amendment.

“you guys are jumping to the erroneous conclusions that Ark or Obama are natural born is just silly”

So much for breaking down the whole footnote. WHY do you say this? All along I pointed out precisely that “The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States.” You’re the only one who claimed anything more for it (at least, more for its final conclusion, as opposed to finer points and reading between the lines).

Seriously, can you read?

“I also pointed out that Marie Elizabeth Elg was not running for president but to stay in the United States as a citizen, however the Supreme Court went ahead and ruled her to be a natural born citizen because she had US citizen parents and she was born in the US of A.”

You also also pointed out that “The issue addressed in Wong Kim Ark was whether Mr. Wong Kim Ark was a citizen of the United States on the basis that he was born in the United States.” So what if it didn’t go ahead and rule him to be or not to be a NBC, too?


987 posted on 11/17/2010 3:25:32 PM PST by Tublecane
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