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To: kosciusko51
That was addressed by United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898):

In this case, the majority of the Court held that a child born in U.S. territory to parents who were subjects of the emperor of China and who were not eligible for U.S. citizenship, but who had “a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China” was a U.S. Citizen.

Children of Diplomats are not American Citizens unless one of their parents were.

You are beginning to sound like a Hillsdale Professor.

Its a complement.


134 posted on 11/12/2010 6:11:52 PM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104; Tublecane; Lou Budvis; WOSG; GAB-1955
darkwing104,

I've read your section, and it goes on to say:

The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.

I'm sure you know this, but it also goes on to say:

The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called "ligealty," "obedience," "faith," or "power" of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King's allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual -- as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem -- and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects. But the children, born within the realm, of foreign ambassadors, or the children of alien enemies, born during and within their hostile occupation of part of the King's dominions, were not natural-born subjects because not born within the allegiance, the obedience, or the power, or, as would be said at this day, within the jurisdiction, of the King.

I did some more searching based on this case, and found the following. In MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U. S. 162 (1874), it says:

Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides [Footnote 6] that "No person except a natural-born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President, [Footnote 7]" and that Congress shall have power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization." Thus, new citizens may be born or they may be created by naturalization.

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

So, it does appear the 14th Amendment grant NBC status to a person, as it goes "further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents."

After reading this, I believe I got a bad dose of constitutional law and I stand corrected. While Vattel or English Common Law may define an NBC at the writing of the constitution, the 14th amendment does appear to clarify the situation. My apologies to all, except to the wiseguy with the crack pipe fetish (jk).

The problem is that SCOTUS really needs to put this to rest. Until then, "... As to this class there have been doubts ..." will cause continual rehashing of this scenario.

Now, regarding the long form ...

193 posted on 11/12/2010 7:09:21 PM PST by kosciusko51
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