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To: YellowRoseofTx

“That isn’t what ‘under the jurisdiction’ means.”

Are you telling me legal aliens aren’t under the jurisdiction of U.S. law? Or is it that the phrase as it appears in the 14th amendment means something different than what a knowledge of law and English would lead one to believe it means? Was it written in code?


120 posted on 11/12/2010 6:00:53 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane
Are you telling me legal aliens aren’t under the jurisdiction of U.S. law?

Under the jurisdiction, whether legal or illegal alien, means that person is under the jurisdiction of their home country until they become citizens of this country. It does not mean they are under the jurisdiction of U.S. law.

127 posted on 11/12/2010 6:06:22 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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To: Tublecane
Are you telling me legal aliens aren’t under the jurisdiction of U.S. law? Or is it that the phrase as it appears in the 14th amendment means something different than what a knowledge of law and English would lead one to believe it means?

Maybe this will help: This also explains why many of us do not believe that babies born to illegal aliens who cross the border to give birth are even citizens.

Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the citizenship clause in the Fourteenth Amendment, defined who would fall within the "jurisdiction of the United States

[E]very person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.

Clearly, the author of the citizenship clause intended to count "foreigners," "aliens," and those born to "ambassadors or foreign ministers" as outside the "jurisdiction of the United States. Thus it is clear that the idea of allegiance ("not subject to any foreign power") was somehow central to understanding the jurisdiction clause of the fourteenth amendment. )

165 posted on 11/12/2010 6:40:09 PM PST by YellowRoseofTx (Evil is not the opposite of God; it's the absence of God)
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