Anyone with experience with people who have experienced a life altering trauma would laugh at that list.
How about a little humility on your part.
People who have had abduction experiences are among the most damaged among us. This is an area you are supposed to know about.
Think about it. A person abducted and suffering something akin to rape from a creature from another world/dimension...there is nothing to get over. This is life altering. Any attempt to put it behind you is itself insane.
You asked for honesty...well the above is an example of it.
Pretty disgusted at this point.
Yes and no.
I know a fair amount about PTSD.
I have not counseled hyper traumatized folks who have been abducted and clearly remembered it. I have suspected a few may have been but very few in my 35+ years of counseling.
I have talked with Stan Romanek:
He has undergone a very long list of abduction experiences and been on the brink of going very seriously around the bend a few times over it.
IIRC, he did receive some therapy for a season or two for a limited time for his PTSD related thereto.
MOSTLY his great wife and a great group of personal friends have helped him get through it with his sanity in tact.
Does he still have some symptoms of PTSD? Sure.
Is he fragile and on the brink or borderline day in and day out? No.
Actually, I’m more concerned that he’s been so co-opted by the critters and they have become such a big part of his life that his eternal destiny is not looking very good from my standpoint. He seems to think they MAY be benign or helpful to the human race regardless of all the many troubles they’ve given him.
And, the ‘government types’ have also given him a lot of trouble including literally frying all the electrical systems in his van while he was in the drive-up line at a fast food joint—had to have it towed and the mechanics said they’d never seen such a mess.
All that to say . . .
Some personalities ARE MORE RESILIENT than others.
And, interpersonal support systems mean a lot.
BTW, I don’t consider quality text books silly. Some are better than others. Phil Zimbardo writes the best intro to psych text, imho. It is far from silly.
The list I gave you came off the top of my head from my experiences and training. You are welcome to call me silly, if you wish.
I don’t think I’ve ever called you silly or ever would except in an affectionate way.
You might consider more objectively what seems to be an overwhelming urge and conviction to consider your experiences with traumas to be 100% normative across all persons, personality types and all kinds of traumas and contexts. That’s just not reality.
No. ‘Anyone with experience with people who have experienced life altering trauma would not laugh at that list.’ Some would add some things. Some would subtract some things. Most professionals would consider it a fair list.
I’d have thought you had a more accurate handle on my degree of humility or not.
Yes, many abduction experiences are super traumatic—particularly for some individuals with some personalities and poor support systems.
Many have committed suicide. Many have turned to alcoholism. Many have lost their jobs and become dependent.
Far from all, however.
The biggest challenge for most of them is having NO ONE TO TALK TO who will respect them and their stories.
If they can find friends, a counselor and better a support group—they can do amazingly well.
However, if the abductions are still going on and in a frightful traumatic way [not all are], then, yeah, they are likely to be raw and on edge if not on the edge a lot of the time—particularly without good support.
Actually, Guy Malone has helped many people put it behind them with spiritual warfare; prayers for healing; counseling etc. Many counselors have helped as well.
Secular counselors are not so helpful—particularly if the abductions are still going on. They may be helpful in giving a respectful ear to listen. But they don’t typically solve anything and don’t really provide some solid substantive hope that offers anything lasting or that explains things in a lasting definitive way.
“Any attempt to put it behind you is itself insane.”
REALLY? So the only alternative is to wander down the street wounded and bleeding psychodynamically, emotionally, spiritually? AND THAT IS ***MORE*** SANE????
THAT does NOT sound VERY RATIONAL, to me.
Viktor Frankel wrote MAN’S SEARCH FOR MEANING after his experiences being a Jewish psychiatrist in a Hitler concentration camp. He noted that IF a prisoner had ANY sense or point of meaning in his life—he would live—even if it was just to watch the occasional birds fly over . . . listening to music in their heads; prayer etc. Without a sense of meaning, they died usually within hours to a day or 3.
As traumatic as the UFO abductions are, I don’t think they are totally equal in all respects to a Dacau or Auschwitz. Yes, the scars of such camp experiences haunted many, in some ways, all, the rest of their lives. Yet for many—they learned, recovered, mostly healed and got on with their lives.
The range of human experience is true with regard to the UFO abduction experiences, too.
AS it is true with IRAQ PTSD cases. Folks who get treatment and/or work things through with friends and loved ones—sorting through the emotions—avoiding walling them off—avoiding denial—avoiding shoving things under the rug—but really talking through the emotions in a CONNECTED, MEANINGFUL WAY—those folks are able to lay Iraq’s blood and gore behind them. The nightmares stop. The flights of rage stop. The hair-trigger anger and violence stop.
You may deny the above, if you wish.
If your trauma still has you hogtied to traumatic reflexes and hazardous response . . . perhaps you’d profit as well from more considered loved ones helping you talk through it, if not a SUITABLE AND VERY SKILLED AND EFFECTIVE counselor.
The eye movement desensitization method is evidently the quickest. There seems to be something about helping the brain connect the emotional content with the rational content that goes faster when the brain is engaged throw both modalities while talking about such.
God be with you.
By all means, I prefer ranting at me honestly vs polite phoney stuff.