To include the angels in God’s turf that did not choose other than God . . . in the fall . . . is not remotely logical.
To include the cosmos . . . particularly as I understand that’s the word used in some of the critical verses . . . IS logical, to me.
Thx thx.
HOWEVER, none of the above gets into the fact that
THE CRITTERS CHRONICALLY ROUTINELY LIE, LIE, LIE. Even top government whistleblowers have always commented on how routinely they lie. All the best researchers have noted it at one time or another unless they are gah gah new age idiots about them.
On top of that—they rape people against their will.
And, they perform mutilations on humans—alive as long as that works—without anesthetic—identical to the cattle mutilations.
There’s persistent rumors that there’s some sort of brain chemical humans manufacture in a state of terror that is a grand recreational drug to some of the critters.
In any case, such goings on do NOT sound like UNFALLEN critters, to me, at all.
NOTE: Y’ALL, I REALIZE that I’m more or less attempting to drag y’all kicking and screaming into very uncomfortable territory that most of you would rather deny 100% to the end of your mortal days.
I wish it were otherwise. It’s just not. And my duty to God AND TO YOU is to tell you the truth as best I can dig it out and discern it.