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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Perhaps you could outline in the verses involved

where

“cosmos” is used and not used??

I think that’s what Alcorn based some of his convictions on.


747 posted on 10/04/2010 10:53:10 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Kosmos (κόσμος) is often used to mean "world" as in "earth" and not the entire universe.

As I said, I don't doubt the universe groans...I just don't see where the universe itself (including angels) fell from Grace due to man's fall.

Here's two examples where "kosmos" is used to mean the earthly world...

Mat 26:13
Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, [there] shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her. Source

1Jo 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Source

The Greek used is at source.

BTW, I didn't noticed where Alcorn said the universe is fallen, just where it groans (suffers) with God at man's fall from Grace. To further clarify my point. Clearly the universe cracked when man fell (it suffered a broken heart)...I don't doubt that. But I haven't seen where the universe fell concomitantly with man's fall.

Perhaps I missed something?

754 posted on 10/04/2010 11:14:54 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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