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To: jonrick46
Obviously you're a skeptic as I once was, what are your opinions on:
1. Japan airlines Boeing 747/ufo encounter over Alaska in 1986 (radar and flight crew witnesses).
2. 1952 Washington, D.C. (radar, film and multiple eyewitnesses)
3. Rendlesham Forest, England, 1980 (multiple military eyewitnesses)
4. Phoenix Lights, 1997 (multiple eyewitnesses and multiple videos)
1,207 posted on 10/26/2010 10:54:11 PM PDT by The Cajun
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To: The Cajun

I used to think that skeptics were ‘merely’ folks who had a higher standard of proof than I had.

Or, who perhaps were all from Missouri and had to see things with their own eyes and handle them with their own hands to believe things were remotely real [a rather impossible way to live, BTW].

I thought that some might even be somewhat fair-minded and objective.

I no longer believe such fantasies about skeptics.

As a psychologist, it is still a keen curiosity of mine but a far less important one to me than it used to be.

So many of their assertions are so utterly devoid of any rational perspective or solid foundation that they are beyond laughable. They are merely ‘AGIN IT.’ as old timers used to be . . . such as some of my grandparents age simply not believing that airplanes could really fly—or if they did get off the ground—that they could stay off the ground to their destination safely. It was not part of their growing up experience so they simply didn’t believe it. Case closed.

It has also been amazing to me that they will live their daily lives—evidently accepting witness testimony on thousands of things as mostly valid to extremely valid—except in this sphere.

If they had 100 people of all walks of life—including policemen, MD’s, lawyers, scientists, Military full bird officers, nurses, professors, physicists, etc. tell them that they had all been on a trip through the Grand Canyon and discovered some incredibly unique fossiles never seen before—they would be very inclined to believe them or at least consider the mostly consistent reports probably correct.

Yet, in this sphere, we have many thousands of high quality expert witnesses and the best the skeptics can muster is

TOTAL BLIND FAITH IN DISBELIEF.

It’s mind-boggling.

They also seem to be utterly oblivious—even those somewhat scientifically minded—they seem to be utterly oblivious to the

REPEATEDLY DEMONSTRATED SCIENTIFIC PHENOMENON

that WHEN one leans so far over AWAY FROM a TYPE I ERROR,

one AUTOMATICALLY FALLS UNALTERABLY IN THE LAP OF, THE JAWS OF A TYPE II ERROR.

WHY are they so ignorant of that phenomenon?

Why the mental disconnect?

It really is a very curious thing.


1,208 posted on 10/26/2010 11:14:36 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Cajun; jonrick46; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; ...
jonrick46; redgolum;--have either of you read post 1176? Following are some assertions by an extremely experienced farmer related to the crop circles. He disagrees with y'all's perspective rather wholesale:

More gleanings from Linda Moulton Howe's website:

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1770&category=Environment

Part 1:  U. K. Farmers Impressed by High Strangeness in Crop Formations

© 2010 by Linda Moulton Howe

 

“As we pulled out of the ground some of those crisp,
90-degree bent - but uncreased and unbroken - canola stems to show
the farmer and to show him that the petals on the canola were
completely intact, that angry farmer started to completely soften.”

- Gary King, Videographer, CropCircleReporter.com

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Besides myself speaking about the biophysical and biochemical investigations I have researched with Michigan biophysicist W. C. Levengood in crop formation plants and soil, Gary Alexander King from Melksham, Wiltshire, England, talked about his videotaping inside U. K. crop formations to document the extraordinary crop lays in 2010 and other previous years. Jonathan Paul de Vierville, Ph.D., Spa Cultures, Dreams and Healing Waters, San Antonio, Texas, spoke about history and symbolism in crop formations. Peter Russell, M.A., D.C.S., F.S.P. in Physics and fellow of the Institute of Noetic Sciences, along with his colleague Elisabet Sahtouris, Ph.D., an evolutionary biologist, spoke about the relationship of evolutionary consciousness on Earth and in the cosmos.

Gary King has been working with long-time crop formation investigator Michael Glickman, author of The Bones of God © 2009 [ See More Information below.] The two have collaborated on a new website, CropCircleReporter (CCR) in which Gary's excellent videotapes inside crop formations are excerpted for playback in the Latest News Blog.

Gary King has lived in Melksham, Wiltshire, England since 2007, when his dramatic experiences concerning the emergence of the huge East Field 070707 formation provoked Gary to move from Cardiff, England, where he had worked as a paralegal and earned a degree in Communications and Language, to Wiltshire to be closer to the April to August crop formation season. One of Gary's topics in the Brazil conferences was his discussions with Wiltshire farmers who acknowledge the highly strange impacts on crops and soil they have seen firsthand and close-up in their own fields.


Interview:Gary King, Crop Circle Researcher and Videographer, Crop Circle Reporter.com, Melksham, Wiltshire, England:   “In my own personal experience, I’ve spoken with half a dozen farmers to ask what their own personal feelings are regarding the crop formations. For example, one farmer named Mr. White over at Pewsey. He has told the Norwegian documentary filmmaker, Terry Toftnes, and others that he thinks the crop formations he has seen is way beyond our technology and he just does not see how anybody could come into the fields in the hours of darkness and put these formations down.

Mr. White said that the size, scale, beauty and precision of the formations impress him.  And this is something that several other farmers echo – they know their land very well. Some of them have dogs, so they would know if someone comes on their land. They get up very early and drive around their land. They know that if someone came on their land at night, especially near their home where the dogs are, they would know about it.

IS THERE A FARMER YOU HAVE PERSONALLY TALKED TO WHO POINTED OUT TO YOU SOME EVIDENCE HE CONSIDERED SO UNUSUAL IN HIS CROP THAT IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE BY BOARDS OR STRING?

Yes, that was this year of 2010. It was Philip Simmonds, the farm manager who had the first formation of this year at Old Sarum near Salisbury in Wiltshire south of Marlborough and Pewsey, reported on May 5, 2010.  I drove south from the Vale of Pewsey towards Salisbury to investigate that formation as soon as we heard about it.

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Gary King:  “When I got there, I spent about five minutes walking around. Then Mr. Simmonds, the farm manager, came out very angry at seeing people in his field and thinking the Old Sarum formation was vandalism. He walked into the formation where I and several others were standing. Another crop formation investigator, Janet Ossebard, was with me and we pulled out canola (oilseed rape) that was bent over on the ground at a 90-degree angle. As we pulled out of the ground some of those crisp, 90-degree bent - but uncreased and unbroken - canola stems to show the farmer and to show him that the petals on the canola were completely intact, that angry farmer started to completely soften.

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We told him we were trying to encourage people to have respect for the fields and asked if he would not cut the formation out. Later that day, he decided to let people visit the formation. Later, I was very impressed to learn that Mr. Simmonds wrote a very beautiful and long article in Farmer’s Weekly saying that in his opinion  the Old Sarum  first formation of 2010 in oilseed rape (canola) could not have been made by people. He was happy he had let people enter his field because he met visitors from all around the world. He made the comment that he did not think there was anything he knew that could bend the stalks of canola over at 90 degrees like that throughout the formation without breaking the crisp, watery stalks.

CROP CIRCLES

CROP CIRCLES

This 2-page article in Farmers Weekly on June 1, 2010, was written
by Philip Simmonds, Manager of the Little Durnsford Farms near Old Sarum,
Wiltshire, England, where the first 2010 crop formation was reported in oilseed rape.

 

WHAT ELSE HAVE FARMERS TOLD YOU THEY THINK IS VERY UNUSUAL IN CROP FORMATIONS?

There are two that spring to mind. One is the Alton Barnes farmer, Tim Carson. In a TV documentary, he described going into a formation in the East Field on his land with a BBC crew and walked up the tramlines. All their equipment was working fine, but as soon as they walked into the East Field crop formation, all their equipment went off and would not work. For some time, the crew walked in and out of the formation and watched the film equipment go on and off as they went in and out of the formation.

Equipment and camera failures are something a lot of us researchers have heard. But when you hear a farmer such as Tim Carson in Wiltshire talk about a BBC crew all scratching their heads over the bizarre equipment problems, I think that is an important piece of repeating evidence in the crop formation mystery for years now.

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When that starts to grow, the canola won’t come through the root bed. Hence, we get a ghost of the previous season’s wheat formation. So, Tim Carson thinks that is the explanation for most of the “ghost” patterns that persist.

However, he and other farmers I’ve spoken to say the soil is never the same again. It never grows even years later the same where there is always a patch that remains different and never grows right again where the soil was affected in some way.

SO IN THOSE CASES, THE SOIL CHANGES MIGHT EXPLAIN THE PERSISTENCE OF GHOST PATTERNS FROM A PREVIOUS FORMATION.

Right. And we should be investigating crop formations with a team of scientists who can document all the plant and soil changes. [ See Part 3.]

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1,212 posted on 10/26/2010 11:45:53 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Cajun; Quix
I still say that the McMinneville object is one of the best photographic evidences we have, a few freepers have reported to us of seeing this type of object. One saw it illuminating from it's interior (in the evening) when he/she was 13 years old.

As Dr. Marcel says, “the young mind is like a sponge”.

Our freeper friend never saw anything like that object since.

Quix can confirm.

1,213 posted on 10/27/2010 2:10:29 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (To anger a Conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a Liberal, tell him the truth.)
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