Posted on 09/27/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by marbren
If a person has an interaction with a being from another world...it doesn't go away in a year or so!
That's a paradigm changer!
Even folks who submerge the experience are still f*cked. Anyone who has had an abduction experience--even if they can't remember it--is complete dominated by it.
This tape is fake!!!
Certainly many are so plagued by PTSD for years to come.
Not all.
It depends on a lot of personality and coping strategy factors.
Coping strategy factors?
Abduction folks typically show signs of PSTD.
Typical coping strategies for PSTD tend to be, amongst others,
sorry phone . . . gotta run.
Where was I . . . ahhh right . . . coping strategies with PTSD . . .
—alcohol—VERY BAD CHOICE—never washes away troubles, only irrigates them.
—obsessing, worrying—not very constructive or effective.
—OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER behaviors—not very constructive or effective
—violence—makes things much worse.
—counseling—usually helps significantly
—re-wired thinking—that was then. This is now. Those events and feelings do not have to run my life now. I’ll focus on the present and worthwhile relationships in the present and ignore, resist feelings and thoughts of the past that might drag me down.
—spiritual healing, cleasnsing, delivering—fitting, wise and good in many cases.
—talking over feelings, memories, flashbacks, nightmares with a good wise listener who’s not a professional counselor until such memories, feelings, nightmares dissipate and fade to nothing. Can be quite effective depending.
—DECIDE that some things are unexplainable and that’s OK. Life goes on more or less normally otherwise so why dwell on it.
—Learn spiritual warfare strategies, prayers to resent the forces of the enemy whether as ET’s or demonic or obsessive thinking or whatever.
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Where was I . . . ahhh right . . . coping strategies with PTSD . . .
—alcohol—VERY BAD CHOICE—never washes away troubles, only irrigates them.
—obsessing, worrying—not very constructive or effective.
—OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER behaviors—not very constructive or effective
—violence—makes things much worse.
—counseling—usually helps significantly
—re-wired thinking—that was then. This is now. Those events and feelings do not have to run my life now. I’ll focus on the present and worthwhile relationships in the present and ignore, resist feelings and thoughts of the past that might drag me down.
—spiritual healing, cleasnsing, delivering—fitting, wise and good in many cases.
—talking over feelings, memories, flashbacks, nightmares with a good wise listener who’s not a professional counselor until such memories, feelings, nightmares dissipate and fade to nothing. Can be quite effective depending.
—DECIDE that some things are unexplainable and that’s OK. Life goes on more or less normally otherwise so why dwell on it.
—Learn spiritual warfare strategies, prayers to RESIST the forces of the enemy whether as ET’s or demonic or obsessive thinking or whatever.
Watch at around 1:16 - this guy does not believe what he is telling the reporter. See how when he starts to describe the alien how he reaches up and pushes his hair back and then starts to cover his mouth as if to stop the lie that is coming out of it .
He is a photographer and this looks staged with jets flying over in the background.
Certainly a conceivable interpretation of the video.
Just not my take on it.
Quix ever hear of project bluebeam? Is it a hoax?
Anyone with experience with people who have experienced a life altering trauma would laugh at that list.
How about a little humility on your part.
People who have had abduction experiences are among the most damaged among us. This is an area you are supposed to know about.
Think about it. A person abducted and suffering something akin to rape from a creature from another world/dimension...there is nothing to get over. This is life altering. Any attempt to put it behind you is itself insane.
You asked for honesty...well the above is an example of it.
Pretty disgusted at this point.
Yes and no.
I know a fair amount about PTSD.
I have not counseled hyper traumatized folks who have been abducted and clearly remembered it. I have suspected a few may have been but very few in my 35+ years of counseling.
I have talked with Stan Romanek:
He has undergone a very long list of abduction experiences and been on the brink of going very seriously around the bend a few times over it.
IIRC, he did receive some therapy for a season or two for a limited time for his PTSD related thereto.
MOSTLY his great wife and a great group of personal friends have helped him get through it with his sanity in tact.
Does he still have some symptoms of PTSD? Sure.
Is he fragile and on the brink or borderline day in and day out? No.
Actually, I’m more concerned that he’s been so co-opted by the critters and they have become such a big part of his life that his eternal destiny is not looking very good from my standpoint. He seems to think they MAY be benign or helpful to the human race regardless of all the many troubles they’ve given him.
And, the ‘government types’ have also given him a lot of trouble including literally frying all the electrical systems in his van while he was in the drive-up line at a fast food joint—had to have it towed and the mechanics said they’d never seen such a mess.
All that to say . . .
Some personalities ARE MORE RESILIENT than others.
And, interpersonal support systems mean a lot.
BTW, I don’t consider quality text books silly. Some are better than others. Phil Zimbardo writes the best intro to psych text, imho. It is far from silly.
The list I gave you came off the top of my head from my experiences and training. You are welcome to call me silly, if you wish.
I don’t think I’ve ever called you silly or ever would except in an affectionate way.
You might consider more objectively what seems to be an overwhelming urge and conviction to consider your experiences with traumas to be 100% normative across all persons, personality types and all kinds of traumas and contexts. That’s just not reality.
No. ‘Anyone with experience with people who have experienced life altering trauma would not laugh at that list.’ Some would add some things. Some would subtract some things. Most professionals would consider it a fair list.
I’d have thought you had a more accurate handle on my degree of humility or not.
Yes, many abduction experiences are super traumatic—particularly for some individuals with some personalities and poor support systems.
Many have committed suicide. Many have turned to alcoholism. Many have lost their jobs and become dependent.
Far from all, however.
The biggest challenge for most of them is having NO ONE TO TALK TO who will respect them and their stories.
If they can find friends, a counselor and better a support group—they can do amazingly well.
However, if the abductions are still going on and in a frightful traumatic way [not all are], then, yeah, they are likely to be raw and on edge if not on the edge a lot of the time—particularly without good support.
Actually, Guy Malone has helped many people put it behind them with spiritual warfare; prayers for healing; counseling etc. Many counselors have helped as well.
Secular counselors are not so helpful—particularly if the abductions are still going on. They may be helpful in giving a respectful ear to listen. But they don’t typically solve anything and don’t really provide some solid substantive hope that offers anything lasting or that explains things in a lasting definitive way.
“Any attempt to put it behind you is itself insane.”
REALLY? So the only alternative is to wander down the street wounded and bleeding psychodynamically, emotionally, spiritually? AND THAT IS ***MORE*** SANE????
THAT does NOT sound VERY RATIONAL, to me.
Viktor Frankel wrote MAN’S SEARCH FOR MEANING after his experiences being a Jewish psychiatrist in a Hitler concentration camp. He noted that IF a prisoner had ANY sense or point of meaning in his life—he would live—even if it was just to watch the occasional birds fly over . . . listening to music in their heads; prayer etc. Without a sense of meaning, they died usually within hours to a day or 3.
As traumatic as the UFO abductions are, I don’t think they are totally equal in all respects to a Dacau or Auschwitz. Yes, the scars of such camp experiences haunted many, in some ways, all, the rest of their lives. Yet for many—they learned, recovered, mostly healed and got on with their lives.
The range of human experience is true with regard to the UFO abduction experiences, too.
AS it is true with IRAQ PTSD cases. Folks who get treatment and/or work things through with friends and loved ones—sorting through the emotions—avoiding walling them off—avoiding denial—avoiding shoving things under the rug—but really talking through the emotions in a CONNECTED, MEANINGFUL WAY—those folks are able to lay Iraq’s blood and gore behind them. The nightmares stop. The flights of rage stop. The hair-trigger anger and violence stop.
You may deny the above, if you wish.
If your trauma still has you hogtied to traumatic reflexes and hazardous response . . . perhaps you’d profit as well from more considered loved ones helping you talk through it, if not a SUITABLE AND VERY SKILLED AND EFFECTIVE counselor.
The eye movement desensitization method is evidently the quickest. There seems to be something about helping the brain connect the emotional content with the rational content that goes faster when the brain is engaged throw both modalities while talking about such.
God be with you.
By all means, I prefer ranting at me honestly vs polite phoney stuff.
I don’t personally think Project Bluebeam is a hoax.
How much disinformation is embedded in the stories about it is another issue.
I just think some variation on the theme is likely to play a significant part in the END TIMES.
Thanks for the links.
May get to them. Am soooooooooo behind.
I don’t personally think Project Bluebeam is a hoax.
How much disinformation is embedded in the stories about it is another issue.
I just think some variation on the theme is likely to play a significant part in the END TIMES.
Thanks for the links.
May get to them. Am soooooooooo behind.
You may very well be right.
The hand gestures could very well be that he does not want to believe what he is saying.
I watched the video again and this guy really does not want to give this interview , he is not all comfortable doing so it’s not being given for attention.
I though the camera was his , my mistake, he said it was his cousins .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20100914/bs_prweb/prweb4491804_1
Retired NORAD Officer's New Book Predicts a Tentative Worldwide UFO Display on October 13, 2010
A newly-published book by a retired NORAD officer predicts October 13, 2010 as the tentative date for a fleet of extraterrestrial vehicles to hover for hours over the earth's principal cities. Author says the event to be the first in a series intended to avert a planetary catastrophe resulting from increasing levels of carbon-dioxide in the earth's atmosphere dangerously approaching a "critical mass."
Winnipeg, MB (PRWEB) September 13, 2010 -- A newly-published 352-page book by a retired Air Force officer, Stanley A. Fulham, tentatively predicts October 13, 2010 as the date for a massive UFO display over the world’s principal cities. According to the author, the aliens will neither land nor communicate on that date; they are aware from eons of experience with other planets in similar conditions their sudden intervention would cause fear and panic.
The book, Challenges of Change (3rd ed.), reports this event will be the initial interaction in a process leading to mankind’s acceptance of the alien reality and technologies for the removal of poisonous gases from the earth’s atmosphere in 2015, if not sooner.
The author draws upon his military experience with the UFO phenomenon dating back to WW2, and later, with NORAD and his subsequent life-long association with a senior NORAD intelligence officer who provided him a wealth of historical data relating to NORAD’s experience with the UFO/alien reality which has never been revealed to the public. In the military's view, as conveyed to and understood by Fulham, the public is not yet ready to accept an alien reality.
Fulham writes it is generally recognized UFOs function beyond our earth's physical laws, and has concluded answers to questions regarding who they are, where are they from, why are they here, are they a threat, and the mystery of abductions could only be found at a higher dimension of reality.
For more than a decade, through the services of a world renowned channeler, the author has communicated with an ethereal group of entities known as the Transcendors -- 43,000 very old souls who combine their vast experience and knowledge through eons of incarnations, providing advice and information to humans in search of basic realities of mankind’s existence.
The book Challenges of Change reports on the author’s years of communication with the Transcendors in a question and answer format intended to inform and challenge. The Transcendors reveal through the author crucial information about urgent global challenges facing mankind such as earth changes, international terrorism, worldwide financial collapse and the environmental crisis. One revelation is al Qaeda has a dirty nuclear bomb and WMD, but faces a moral quandary over “containment of collateral damages.”
Utilizing the theme of the Four Horsemen as symbolic metaphor, Fulham warns mankind will survive all of these future challenges, except the CO2 pollution of our atmosphere. According to information provided to the author by the Transcendors, the build-up of CO2 pollution is rising 1% annually to a “critical mass” of 22% in which mankind could not survive ”without outside intervention.”
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As we can see--there's a ton of occultic involvement in the author's perspective and experiences.
All such stuff as I've ever read of sooner or later included wholesale verifiable lies. Yet, the powers that be seem to fall for such scenarios and tales hook line and sinker. How much lies, half truths, truths, distortions etc. are mixed in--God only knows. Certainly the best deceptions contain grains of truth.
I'm not expecting anything dramatic on Oct 13 but won't be 100% shocked if something different occurs.
Thanks.
Thanks for your kind reply.
I don’t *KNOW* either.
I just ‘know’ from my experience as a professional psychologist interviewer . . . whom my supervisors tended to credit with getting down to brass tacks quicker than anyone in their experience . . . the guy rang true enough for me to at least mostly believe him if not fully believe him.
Thanks for the ping!
I am confused by this response. If I am understanding you correctly, then we are to accept “what christian religious institutions have to offer”, even if it doesn't line up with scripture? Let me explain why I am confused...you quote a portion of scripture and then tell me that “My whole life I was taught”...and then follow up with...”Just in the past two weeks did I find out”...your “boxed in assumptions” did not come from the scriptures that you quoted but from what somebody taught you by adding into the scriptures that this man was a “hero of faith”. I would guess, and it would only be a guess, that what you where taught your whole life was probably from a “christian religious institution”...hence, EVERYTHING that we are taught needs to be tested through the lens of Scripture.
1 Peter 1:22-25 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
>>to avert a planetary catastrophe resulting from increasing levels of carbon-dioxide in the earth’s atmosphere dangerously approaching a “critical mass.”
Yeah right. What a pantload, as though any ETs give a hoot about us. If anything, IMO, they’d want us all to die after a CO2 induced coma. If that was even a concern, which I am not convinced is anything other than a Ph.D. ‘model’ begging for more funding.
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