How about Cesar Milan...?
Posted on 08/07/2010 12:09:52 AM PDT by Chet 99
When a pit bull maims or kills a person, running to the government for protection shouldn’t “solve the problem” that the owner and the beast should face.
You have to know them personally to give their names? Is that some strange pit bull cult belief?
Or are your frequently invoked yet unnamed "experts" simply imaginary?
No...folks like you just want to ban the problem altogether. Look how well that's worked in England, where they banned pitbulls almost 20 years ago. Of course, like their national healthcare, firearms bans, knife bans, etc. tyrants like you won't acknowledge the abject failure, but merely insist that you know how to do it better.
Nope. But apologists like you just want to ignore the problem altogether.
Now seriously, it's ok to admit you'd like to embrace euro-trash, government controls on society...it really is ok to believe that, because in spite of people like you, this still is a nominally free country. I'm not sure that makes this forum the best place for you, but hey...I'm not going to tell anybody what's best for them. I guess that's where we differ.
Okay. What should be the greater penalty be for someone who keeps a pit bull in a residential neighborhood?
Did you not bother to read those links? I’m pretty sure they’re not hiding from you. Why not just read the information on the links?
Here’s what I pulled up from just glancing over it. This is the page listing the advisors for the National Canine Research Council, as well as their accomplishments:
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/home/ncrc-advisors/
I can try to find the rest for you later when I get home, but feel free to look around those links. I am sure all the information you require is right there, and all you have to do is read it.
Also, I would appreciate if you stopped trying to insult me. It really doesn’t do what you think it does.
If two names are too much for you, how about one? Just name one of these (probably imaginary) experts.
That sir, is the difference between you and me. Somebody who keeps a pitbull in a residential neighborhood, who keeps their dog under control on their property, and who never harms or threatens another person should not be subject to any penalty at all. That's how freedom works.
How about Cesar Milan...?
Just wait until the pit bull maims or kills a neighbor's child. So by your "reasoning" somebody who drives drunk in a residential neighborhood, who keeps their car in their lane, and who never runs over another person should not be subject to any penalty at all.
That sir, is the difference between you and me
Indeed. I respect the rule of law, you don't.
Posted on the Pit Bull Chat Community:
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=2878
By Denise Flaim
Newsday
If anyone is considered the demon boy of dog behavior by the professional training community, it would be Cesar Millan, whose “Dog Whisperer” show on the National Geographic Channel has made him a household name.
Millan’s techniques, his approach — and, let’s face it, his popularity — have stoked the ire of many positive trainers and behaviorists, who offer laundry lists of his inadequacies: His methods are inappropriately force-based. His academic credentials are nonexistent. He relies too heavily on antiquated models of wolf hierarchy and dominance. His success stories cannot be replicated by regular dog owners.
"So by your "reasoning" somebody who drives drunk in a residential neighborhood, who keeps their car in their lane, and who never runs over another person should not be subject to any penalty at all."
DUI is against the law, as is failing to maintain control of your dog. Both should be enforced with similar vigor. By your "reasoning" we should ban liquor and cars.
"I respect the rule of law, you don't."
No. If you did, you'd want people to be held accountable in front of existing law, not pass new "feel good" laws that have been abject failures where they've already been implemented...but don't let the facts and empirical data get in the way while you're embracing your inner-tyrant.
As are pit bulls in some jurisdictions. Nice foot shot.
Which is my precise point...the bans have been abject failures where enacted. See my link in #63.
Denise Flaim is an AKC breed purist. You don’t think she’d have an agenda in “flaiming” Milan, an advocate of adoption? Probably cuts into her bottom line.
Apparently, you like to ignore the facts. I just gave you a link to SEVERAL people, all of which I would consider experts. Here are some more for you:
Dr. Howard Evans -Canine Anatomy (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Nov06/Evans.profile.jg.html )
Dr. Sandy DeLahunta- Canine Neurologist (http://www.vet.cornell.edu/news/articles/08DeLahunta.htm )
Dr. Katherine Houpt- Dog Behaviorist (http://www.vet.cornell.edu/faculty/houpt/ )
Dr. Brady Barr (measured bite pressure for several types of dogs, which can be seen on the National Geographic website)
Dr. Ian Dunbar, Veterinarian and animal behaviorist (http://www.siriuspup.com/about_founder.html )
Dr. Karen Overall, who has too many degrees to name (http://abrionline.org/expert.php?id=21)
Nathan Winograd, graduate of Stanford Law School, author, and speaker dealing with animal welfare (http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?page_id=179 )
Britain isn't a jurisdiction in the United States. Read a book.
That sure took long enough. Let’s start with the first one, Howard Evans. When did this expert claim “that the number of fatalities in America isn’t disproportional to that breed?”
“Just wait until the pit bull maims or kills a neighbor’s child. “<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Therein lies the quandary. The percentage of pit bulls that DO harm people is less than 1%. You are basing your entire opinion on the idea that the other 99% are the same, which they obviously aren’t. If the 10 million living pit bulls all of a sudden BECAME the dogs you think they are, then we would have a serious problem, and you would see fatalities go up dramatically. Fortunately, that is not the case.
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