You said: “MZ - I posted this one so you can note that the party resolved to abide by the USSC on these questions of Constitutional Law”
Yet they didn’t abide by such decisions and continued a path of trying to deny equal representation under the law for all. This has been their history.
The KKK of the eprogressive era used to use all types of Constitutional type language as well to reach an agenda that was actually counter the Constitution. If you listen to FDR you might think you were listening to an orginalist the way he would speak but we all know he was not.
And of course the further you go back towards our founding the more you will always find wordings and positions couched in conservative terms. Even today you have conservative democrats, you have libertarians who claim to be more conservative then conservatives sand so on. Many claimed that Robert KKK Byrd was a conservative as well. Hogwash.
You want us to beleive that the same exact party of people who upheld denying people an equal right to representation suddenly switched parties and were fighting for this right. That is hogwash. The democrats you speak of fought to deny rights and then the progressive movement and the democrats that followed them did the same.
You also want us to believe that all of the people who fought to ensure an eqaul right to representation for all under the Constitution suddenly switched to joining up with the KKK and started to deny equal rights to representation for all.
Your logic is completely flawed.
TBI - I am one who supports democrats being unable to continue hiding their history. As a matter of fact, I would like to see it shoved in their faces @ every opportunity. However, that does not change republican history.
Yet they didn’t abide by such decisions and continued a path of trying to deny equal representation under the law for all.
Can you please provide an example of this? Remember, my original post is referencing the conservatives of Lincoln's time. Each of my posts make this point very clear. I am not aware of any USSC decisions the democrats refused to abide by.
The KKK of the eprogressive era used to use all types of Constitutional type language as well to reach an agenda that was actually counter the Constitution. If you listen to FDR you might think you were listening to an orginalist the way he would speak but we all know he was not.
I agree with this statement, however, it has nothing to do w/my original post with which you disagreed. I was, and still am, addressing the conservatives of Lincoln's time. That would be the democrats. What I have given you is accurate and true American history.
You want us to beleive that the same exact party of people who upheld denying people an equal right to representation suddenly switched parties and were fighting for this right. That is hogwash. The democrats you speak of fought to deny rights and then the progressive movement and the democrats that followed them did the same.
The democrats I speak of were conservatives and the republicans were not. I have posted it for your perusal. Do I want you to believe it? That is up to you. All I am doing is providing factual American history. If you choose to believe conservative history is hogwash, that is your choice.
Also, the republicans of Lincoln's time, including Lincoln, were not promoting equal rights, much less equal representation, for negroes. There was no overall republican movement to grant true liberty to negroes. True liberty involves more than being free from bondage. Republicans supported freeing the slaves, however, they did not support equal rights for them. IOW, the republicans of Lincoln's time were for denying Constitutional rights to the same third the democrats were. The democrats choice was to keep negroes in bondage and the republicans choice was to deny them liberty through equality. Both are Constitutional violations. Is one worse than the other? Sure, but that doesn't make the republicans of that time conservatives. They wanted the federal leviathan we have now and the democrats did not. The democrats supported abiding USSC decisions regarding slavery, the republicans did not.
You also want us to believe that all of the people who fought to ensure an eqaul right to representation for all under the Constitution suddenly switched to joining up with the KKK and started to deny equal rights to representation for all.
I believe you are confusing your history. All of the people fighting for the Union did not do so to free the slaves. All of the confederates fighting were not fighting to keep slavery. The Union position on the war was to preserve the Union not to free the slaves. Lincoln said so himself many times (hat tip WIJG, you made a long explanation short!). Also, several Confederate states seceded due to Lincoln's demand for troops, not to preserve slavery. There were those who were pro-slavery, anti-slavery, and ones that didn't care either way, on both sides of that conflict. There were also democrats and republicans in every state, both Union and Confederate.
Once again, the democrats of Lincoln's time were conservative and the republicans were not. The democrats wanted limited federal government and maximum states rights and the republicans supported limited states rights and a large federal government. Democrats supported following USSC decisions regarding slavery, the republicans did not.
Your logic is completely flawed
My logic is based in fact. In this case, American historical fact.
Perhaps the sole issue of slavery does not allow you to recognize conservative positions?