[central_va]

That Senate journal you put forward is dated 1861. Right in the middle of the secession crisis. Can you show me where the founders thought that states had the power to secede?

I have an idea, why don't you research your own hypotheses as your supposition is not that interesting?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"I have an idea, why don't you research your own hypotheses as your supposition is not that interesting?"

I don't need to research it. I know the answer to my question and you probably do also. The founding fathers never considered that states had this "power" to secede from the new union. They never wrote about it that I'm aware of. The reason you find it not that interesting is that it doesn't support your argument. One thing the founders did write about was their yearning for liberty of people and how many of them loathed the institution of slavery. Many of them were acutely aware of how hypocritical they were providing for the liberty of the white man, but not the black man. That is why they put things in the constitution to start the abolishment of slavery.