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To: arrogantsob
New York EXPLICITLY rejected the “conditional ratification” in its convention that was the occasion of Madison’s letter to Hamilton on the subject. So stop using that lie.

Here are some more comments in response to your comment above. The New York ratification convention did remove the words "on condition" from the approval of its proposed amendments. They replaced "on condition" with "in full confidence." The "in full confidence" part of the text comes right after the part of the NY ratification document I quoted to you in the post above. The sentence containing it says [my bold below]:

In full Confidence nevertheless that until a Convention shall be called and convened for proposing Amendments to the said Constitution, the Militia of this State will not be continued in Service out of this State for a longer term than six weeks without the Consent of the Legislature thereof;-that the Congress will not make or alter any Regulation in this State respecting the times places and manner of holding Elections for Senators or Representatives unless the Legislature of this State shall neglect or refuse to make Laws or regulations for the purpose, or from any circumstance be incapable of making the same, and that in those cases such power will only be exercised until the Legislature of this State shall make provision in the Premises;-that no Excise will be imposed on any Article of the Growth production or Manufacture of the United States, or any of them within this State, Ardent Spirits excepted; And that the Congress will not lay direct Taxes within this State, but when the Monies arising from the Impost and Excise shall be insufficient for the public Exigencies, nor then, until Congress shall first have made a Requisition upon this State to assess levy and pay the Amount of such Requisition made agreably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way and manner as the Legislature of this State shall judge best, but that in such case, if the State shall neglect or refuse to pay its proportion pursuant to such Requisition, then the Congress may assess and levy this States proportion together with Interest at the Rate of six per Centum per Annum from the time at which the same was required to be paid.

Then the document attached a list of the many amendments they proposed. The ratification was no longer on condition of passing those amendments. The removal of "on condition" only affects the proposed amendments, not the convention's clarifying statements about what the Constitution meant.

It also turns out that Hamilton ("one of the greatest legal minds ever created" to use your description) voted to issue the ratification document that I've linked to on the Yale Law Department site. Thus, he voted for issuing the statement that "the Powers of Government may be reassumed by the People, whensoever it shall become necessary to their Happiness."

I never realized before tonight that Hamilton had actually voted for that ratification document. Thank you for helping me find that. I knew Hamilton had later flirted with joining those in New York and the New England states who wanted to secede in the early 1800s, but he finally decided not come out in favor of actually doing it.

551 posted on 08/11/2010 11:27:46 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket

Hamilton never reacted towards secession with anything but horror. In fact, his murder by Burr was intended to permanently destroy any chance of secession by NE and NY.

It was precisely the danger of NY with Burr as governor joining with NE in secession which led to his working to make sure Burr was defeated. Since he had worked out the deal denying Burr the presidency in 1800 this was the final straw.


618 posted on 08/17/2010 8:31:30 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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