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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Where in this legal document called the constitution was any state given the right to secede?

Government does not give rights, they are inherent within man and his relationships and come from God. Your premise is flawed.

44 posted on 08/05/2010 6:51:15 AM PDT by runninglips (Don't support the Republican party, work to "fundamentally change" it...conservative would be nice)
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To: runninglips
"Government does not give rights, they are inherent within man and his relationships and come from God."

You are correct. I meant to say the power, not the right to secede. By using the proper word, my premise is not flawed.
49 posted on 08/05/2010 6:55:03 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: runninglips
Government does not give rights, they are inherent within man and his relationships and come from God. Your premise is flawed.

I think that is the crux of the matter. We are discussing which rights the people gave to the government, not vice versa. We know the founders and constructors of the Constitution took great care to limit the power of the central government. That was specifically the purpose of the 10th Amendment, to protect the states and the people from a powerful central government. The previous nine were to protect the individual against the government.

In that context, in makes no sense that the states would bind themselves irreconcilably to that government. Plus some of the states had a pre-nup.

150 posted on 08/05/2010 9:05:38 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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