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To: OneWingedShark
Interestingly, if you look at the Constitution, nowhere does it say what the name of the country is. The country was named “The United States of America” in the Articles of Confederation, so obviously part of the Articles of Confederation survives to this day. An undeniable fact.

Prior to the 10th Amendment, prior even to the Constitution, the perpetual union already existed, the states already had agreed to surrender any right to secede. If the 10th Amendment was intended to abolish the perpetuity of the union, the 10th amendment would have said so specifically. The founders were certainly very specific about Perpetual Union in the Articles of Confederation, and the founders were not big on “emanations from the penumbra”.

I also refer you to MNJohnnie’s post #78 above, where Madison trashes secessionism.

136 posted on 08/05/2010 8:47:31 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: You want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: Cheburashka

Here’s a question for you then: can a State maintain it’s Union with the other States yet refuse to acknowledge the Federal Government’s legitimacy [in some action]? If no, then why hasn’t the federal government moved [militarily] on the states that have passed Firearm Freedom Acts? (Such military action would not only be legitimate, from the basis of your argument, but required/needful.)

Can a state legitimately say that the Federal Government has no right to determine it’s standards and/or requirements for education?
Can a state legitimately reject the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wads? {which stripped states of the right to protect it’s unborn citizens}
Can a state legitimately reject the Supreme Court’s decision in Keelo v. New London? {which stripped people of the right to private property if such larceny carried the stamp of government approval.}
Can a State legitimately reject the requirements imposed by the “obamacare” law?
Can a State legitimately reject the failure of the federal government to defend against invasion by calling its own National Guard to defend against said invasion? (If it cannot, why hasn’t the federal government moved [militarily] on Arizona or New Mexico?)


151 posted on 08/05/2010 9:08:50 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Cheburashka

At the first inauguration of George Washington, the guest of honor was Cyrus Griffin, President of the United States in Congress Assembled.


160 posted on 08/05/2010 9:24:44 AM PDT by Michael Zak
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To: Cheburashka
Interestingly, if you look at the Constitution, nowhere does it say what the name of the country is.

Not sure where you get that idea.

Preamble: "We the People of the United States ... do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

207 posted on 08/05/2010 11:33:39 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Cheburashka

My copy of the Constsution begins’We The People of the UNITED STATES in order to form a more pefect Union......
Can’t be clearer to me that the Founders called the new Nation the UNITED STATES right up front, as such no need to quibble about what they meant.


245 posted on 08/05/2010 12:32:50 PM PDT by noinfringers
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