This Day in Civil War History July 3rd, 1863 Third Day of the batle of Gettysburg

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/pickett-leads-his-infamous-charge-at-gettysburg ^

[matginzac]

I’ll see you one Grierson and raise you one Hampton...

[matginzac]

Excuse me but me thinks at Fredericksburg, it was the other way around - the yanks got clobbered there...
hmmm, the product of yankee schooling, are we?

[Non-Sequitur]

Excuse me but me thinks at Fredericksburg, it was the other way around - the yanks got clobbered there... hmmm, the product of yankee schooling, are we?

Which is why I said that Lee had watched Burnside slaughter his troops on Marye's Heights. You may need to work on your reading comprehension.

[matginzac]

Sorry, yank - I read it thrice to make sure - you need to go to a non-govt school and learn to write right...or, you need to be consistent in your sentence meanings...

[Happy Rain]

The Southerner loved his state like babies loved they mommas back in those days (Yankees,being mostly recent immigrants or children of same,hadn't had time to sink such roots of love in any particular region—even their progeny will never understand TRUE pride and loyalty to the soil of ones birth) thus the Northern provocation at Fort Sumter was like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 to my South Carolina ancestors—an injury AND an insult to the original American sense of honor.

Only in Texas does one still find such love of regional American soil now—there and on autumn Saturdays at college football games.

The SEC and most of the ACC fans have a lot spiritually in common with the old patriots who fought and died for their states during the 2nd American War For Independence (say something ugly about the Volunteers or the Tigers to a man in orange and see what happens) Slavery was a sideshow to a sideshow for those honorable men.

[Non-Sequitur]

Sorry, yank - I read it thrice to make sure - you need to go to a non-govt school and learn to write right...or, you need to be consistent in your sentence meanings...

I'm betting it's one of those Southern school systems that's at fault.

[MikefromOhio]

Oh Wilson went to a yankee school, thus surrendering ANY affiliation to southern affinities...

And so did Lee, Longstreet, Jackson, Stuart.....

LOL

[Man50D]

If Lee had won Gettysburg and destroyed DC, the north likely would have lost its will to fight.

The South didn't have enough resources to win by the time Gettysburg occurred. The battle started because barefoot Confederate troops were wandering around town trying to find shoes. There is a serious shortage of resources when an army can't provide even the basic necessities for the troops.

If the South could have captured or killed Lincoln, the north would have quit. Even if they didn’t, the election year was only a little over a year away.

You can present hypothetical situations for eternity but the fact is the South didn't win the battle or the war because they ran out of resources before the North.

[Man50D]

Sorry about the crappy spelling. I am just tired to the bone and having one of those days.

No problem. My typing is lousy even on my best days.

[RegulatorCountry]

I’d never read that account, by the way, so thanks. Just finished reading it. A few relatives mentioned, and quite a few more whose families I know.

[mainepatsfan]

Busy day? :)

[T.L.Sink]

You guys are right about Grant and Vicksburg but I think Gettysburg has rightfully received more historical attention. First, and obviously, because Lincoln appeared there and delivered his immortal “address.” Second, it was the first - and last - time confederate forces invaded Union territory. And, the 51,000+ deaths there shocked and appalled even those who knew we were in a very bloody conflict. Also, to this very day Civil War buffs try to re-enact the battle with much media hype.

[T.L.Sink]

Thanks for the info.

[T.L.Sink]

You’re a real Civil War buff! I’m not and don’t pretend to have any experise with respect to details. However, I’d recommend to you and all others a 3 volume work by Shelby Foote which is, in the opinion of many experts, a classic. I admit I was a little intimidated at first by the prospect of THREE VOLUMES! However, Foote has such a marvelous and readable style that he has the rare historian’s talent of being able to make the complex and particular understandable without oversimplifying. I spent many happy hours reading, at my leisure, his great work. It’s also the kind of study you can pick up and resume reading without a sense of lost continuity. If you havn’t read it, I highly recommend it.

[T.L.Sink]

Winik, whose book I cited, claims that the real heroes at Appomatix were Grant and Lee. Grant’s terms of surrender respected the dignity and heroism of the confederate troops. He allowed them to retain their small arms, etc., which were part of southern culture. Lee, for his part, insisted in making the confederates realize war was REALLY OVER. This seems obvious to us in historical retrospoect. BUT, as Winik documents in detail, the South was prepared to continue a guerilla warfare against the North. This could have gone on for years and greatly damaged the destiny of American history. Nor were the “guerilla war” advocates isolated. Prominent men like Jefferson Davis (and many veterans) were prepared to fight to the bitter end. It was, however, thanks to the civility and humanity of Lee and Grant, that this didn’t happen. Perhaps this is why Winston Churchill referred to our Civil War as the last war fought “between gentlemen.”

[T.L.Sink]

Good point! I think if we fail to preserve our democratic republic at the ballot box we face a new and different type of violent internal strife. I don’t have the time or space to enumerate the dangers, but as a FReeper you probably know already know them. As a late U.S. Supreme Court justice said, “Every day I wake up, I find it more difficult to recognize my own country.”

[matginzac]

While our family motto is “Go NAVY, Beat Army”, I’d have to say that the USMA should be considered non-denominational...!
Happy Fourth...

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

‘The South could have easily won the war. The only thing necessary was to end the north’s will to fight, just like Vietnam.’

You are correct. As late as the end of summer, 1864, Lincoln expected to lose the presidential election. Had McClellan been elected he would have ended the war and let the South go. It might be thought that since he wouldn’t have taken office until March, 1865 it would have been too late for the Confederacy, but if he had been elected, the fighting of late 1864 and early 1865 is unlikely to have occurred against his will.

After Sherman took Chattanooga and Atlanta and started his march to Savannah the northern population could see victory, and turned to the party of Lincoln and the Northern victory.

[SunkenCiv]

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