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To: PugetSoundSoldier

Sorry the interpretation is wrong!!! If that was the case, then why aren’t Americans still considered British? They fought a freaking war to break the chains of Britian. Why then are only those born before the signing of the Constitution exempt from the citizen clause?

Also, the Supreme Court is far from right on many issues. But here is a question for you........No where in the Constitution does it say that there should be a Separation of Church and State. That was taken from a letter from Benjamin Franklin.....They can decide law on one letter yet they ignore MANY letter referring to Natural Born Citizen!


74 posted on 05/14/2010 7:03:34 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: panthermom; PugetSoundSoldier; All

> Sorry the interpretation is wrong!!! If that was the case, then why aren’t Americans still
> considered British?

They aren't anymore, as of Treaty of Paris (1783) ... unless of course they were born that way.

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.


80 posted on 05/14/2010 7:12:23 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: panthermom
Sorry the interpretation is wrong!!! If that was the case, then why aren’t Americans still considered British?

Because it's no longer British soil. We fought to secede from the UK.

Why then are only those born before the signing of the Constitution exempt from the citizen clause?

Because they were not natural born citizens of the US, being born in a British territory.

Also, the Supreme Court is far from right on many issues.

On that we do not disagree.

They can decide law on one letter yet they ignore MANY letter referring to Natural Born Citizen!

Because we have writings for both cases of NBC - Vattel and English common law.

Look, it's really simple: point to statute or legal precedent that defines NBC as is supported by Vattel. You cannot. In fact, the closest you get is the Ark case where the minority point to Vattel and the majority point to English common law. If you want to claim someone is not a natural born citizen then you have to provide a legal foundation for your claim, and that simply is not done.

118 posted on 05/14/2010 11:24:26 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: panthermom
No where in the Constitution does it say that there should be a Separation of Church and State. That was taken from a letter from Benjamin Franklin...

Actually the phrase come from Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists. Of course it was taken out of context. He referred to Government not interfering with the Churches. Not to the Churches influencing the government.

he concluded thus:

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Which would be very strange way for a President to conclude a letter if he believed that Government should be completely free of religious influence.

Interestingly the draft of that letter has "recently" been found , and it paints a somewhat different picture of Jefferson's opinion on "separation of Church and State" than the Courts have adopted.

286 posted on 05/15/2010 10:23:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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