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To: Red Steel

Or, you can use that initial law to show that the founding fathers did not adhere to Vattel’s definition, since they explicitly went around it (born outside the territories of the US). Add to that the Supreme Court decisions in the 1800s after the passage of the 14th Amendment where English common law (jus soli) is referenced, and we are left with a strong case that Vattel’s definition is questionable at best as what was intended by the founders.


686 posted on 05/18/2010 2:26:33 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier
Or, you can use that initial law to show that the founding fathers did not adhere to Vattel’s definition, since they explicitly went around it (born outside the territories of the US). Add to that the Supreme Court decisions in the 1800s after the passage of the 14th Amendment where English common law (jus soli) is referenced, and we are left with a strong case that Vattel’s definition is questionable at best as what was intended by the founders.

American common law is written in the US constitution and is not the same or does it have the same meaning and intent of English common law. The overwhelming facts weigh heavily against Obama or Wong Ark being a natural born citizen. In fact all the nutsos on the left can do is point to scant cherry picked evidence and say that's it.

689 posted on 05/18/2010 2:40:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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“the founding fathers did not adhere to Vattel’s definition, since they explicitly went around it (born outside the territories of the US)”

How did the Founders not adhere to Vattel regarding born outside the territories?


694 posted on 05/18/2010 3:23:47 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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