To: Red Steel
It doesn't CONTRADICT the holding. You didn't put in the ENTIRE sentence. You said: "We reiterate that we do not address the question of natural born citizen status for persons who became United States citizens at birth by virtue of being born of United States citizen parents, despite The Plaintiffs do not mention the above United States Supreme Court authority in their complaint or brief;..." It was all a dog and pony show of contradictory dicta. The ACTUAL sentence reads: "We reiterate that we do not address the question of natural born citizen status for persons who became United States citizens at birth by virtue of being born of United States citizen parents, despite THE FACT THAT THEY WERE BORN ABROAD." [caps added to show what you left out.] That's the REAL COMPLETE sentence. It gets followed by: That question was not properly presented to this court. Without addressing the question, however, we note that nothing in our opinion today should be understood to hold that being born within the fifty united states is the only way one can receive natural born citizen status. " This comes from footnote 14 and 15 found at the bottom of pages 17 and 18 of the decision which can be found here: http://www.in.gov/judiciary/opinions/pdf/11120903.ebb.pdf (Very simple. No contradictions. The Ankeny Court didn't deal with foreign born citizens. It just dealt with those born in the United States. Just as the Wong Court did with poor Wong, who was born in the United States. That does not, in any way, contradict the Ankeny Court's holding about those born IN THE USA. Not even talking about the same thing.) Now, lets look at your last statement: ""We believe that the Plaintiffs‟ arguments fall under the category of conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions that we need not accept as true when reviewing the grant of a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. " Lets rewrite that a little so that its all in one place. . . "We believe that the Plaintiffs‟ arguments [ that . . ."theres a very clear distinction between a citizen of the United States and a natural born citizen.(page 12)"] fall under the category of conclusory, non-factual assertions or legal conclusions that we need not accept as true when reviewing the grant of a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim." And, what does the Ankeny Court say, again: "Based upon the language of Art. II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are Natural Born Citizens for Art. II, section 1. purposes, regardless of the citizenship of the parents. (Page 17)" Its a published case. The Vattel two-citizen parent theory is NOT good law. The Ankeny Court shot it down in flames. parsy
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05/17/2010 6:53:38 AM PDT by
parsifal
(I will be sent to an area where people are demanding free speech and I will not like it there. Orly.)
To: parsifal
The Indiana Court's opinion is just silly. The silly court based their deluded decision on who can be president on the process and procedure spelled out in then election day Clause 4.
"Based upon the language of Art. II, Section 1, Clause 4"
And they totally IGNORED clause 5 - the heart of the issue. Indiana Court of Appeals played games to make the issue go away. These clowns were not serious at all. The heart of the matter below they refused to address:
Clause 5.
Clause 5: Qualifications for office
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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