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So Mr. Rogers, what citizenship did Obama inherit from his father?



A LAW DICTIONARY

ADAPTED TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND OF THE SEVERAL STATES OF THE AMERICAN UNION

by John Bouvier

Revised Sixth Edition, 1856


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Ummmmm Ms. Rogers, do you see where it says in highlighted below, that "Natives who are citizens are the children of citizens"? That's the same as natural born citizens.

You do remember the countless times you have been told that all natural born citizen are native BUT NOT all natives are natural born - right?

You'll also notice highlighted that aliens born in the US of A can be natives but they are not citizens. Can you connect the dots from here Ms. Rogers?



291 posted on 05/15/2010 10:47:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

You DO realize I can provide quotes on the OTHER side?

“As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States…. Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the United States.”

James Kent, COMMENTARIES ON AMERICAN LAW (1826)

“That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted) is a happy means of security against foreign influence,…A very respectable political writer makes the following pertinent remarks upon this subject. “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it.”

St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES (1803)

“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”

Leake v. Gilchrist, 13 N.C. 73 (N.C. 1829)

“Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity.”

William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States, pg. 86 (1829)

So you see, there were a variety of books and opinions written in the early 1800s, giving BOTH sides.

Also, you highlighted selectively - your first one exempts children born to “ambassadors, or other foreign ministers” - IAW common law as cited by the Supreme Court in WKA.

Your second citation highlights the case of those born in the USA prior to the Revolution, but who moved away and did not return.

Please try to READ before you post, and don’t take quotes out of their context - it will be less embarassing for you!


296 posted on 05/15/2010 11:14:49 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Red Steel
Perfect.

This definition in “5.-1st” is totally consistent with what the WKA ruling actually said, not the insidious treacherous spin that Wong was determined to be NBC based on the false claim that native citizen equals natural born citizen regarding POTUS eligibility.

Wong was determined to be a native citizen, a child of resident aliens, obviously not a child of two citizens and not affirmed to be a NBC in WKA. Wong had equal citizen rights as a native citizen with the citizen rights of NBCs.

POTUS eligibility is not a citizenship right but constitutional specification based on a condition of birth on US soil to parents who are citizens (and also perhaps to the child of an unmarried mother who could convey unitary citizenship which might yet apply to Obama depending on where he was born...BNA of 1948 explicitly does not govern illegitimate, presumably including bigamous children).

300 posted on 05/15/2010 11:34:27 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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