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To: Kleon

All fluff, no stuff. I guess you still don’t realize how desperate & ignorant you sound.
The definition of natural born has never changed and citizen does not equal ‘natural born’ citizen. Also, the 14th Amendment did not alter or change A2S1C4 in any manner as it was merely a reflection of the 1866 civil rights Act which was to finally put in the law that blacks were in fact citizens.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2006/03/From-Feudalism-to-Consent-Rethinking-Birthright-Citizenship

According all the historical evidence from the time of the founding & from papers of the founders/framers, dual citizenship was not an option. The only citizens were those born to a citizen father(wife followed the condition of the husband) therefore the child was born with 2 citizen parents, out of wedlock to an American mother or they became citizens by naturalization(consent). There were NO natural born citizens at the revolution, because every person at the time of the declaration owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign. If ‘natural born citizen was merely a changed of verbiage that still held the same definition, then the founders born in America would have considered themselves to be natural born, but they did not. They had to be grandfathered in. Dissertation by David Ramsay, founder, framer & signer of the constitution, teacher & physician.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29342214/Ramsay-Natural-Born-Citizen-1789

It was common practice during the entire 17 & 18th centuries that dissertations were the equivalent of books used to teach and it was the study laws of nature & laws of nations that sparked the fuel for the revolution in the minds of the founders, not some personal vendetta to break away from England and form their own Monarchy with feudal laws.

http://www.archive.org/stream/educationofthefo028335mbp#page/n7/mode/2up


162 posted on 05/15/2010 10:42:34 AM PDT by patlin (1st SCOTUS of USA: "Human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law.")
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To: patlin
All fluff, no stuff. I guess you still don’t realize how desperate & ignorant you sound.

The Constitution is not "fluff." As for evidence, you're the one who can't cite any court cases that say the citizenship of someone born in America to an American citizen is trumped by a foreign law. It's the last position I'd expect to see on a conservative forum, but ever since Obama was elected, I've seen it expressed here time and time again. It's simply astounding.

172 posted on 05/15/2010 11:54:38 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: patlin
According all the historical evidence from the time of the founding & from papers of the founders/framers, dual citizenship was not an option. The only citizens were those born to a citizen father(wife followed the condition of the husband) therefore the child was born with 2 citizen parents, out of wedlock to an American mother or they became citizens by naturalization(consent).

Brings up an interesting point. The highlighted portion is VERY relevant to President Obama, as it is now known that Barack Obama Sr. was not actually divorced from his previous wife, meaning his marriage to President Obama's mother was invalid (illegal within the US - null and void). He was born, legally, out of wedlock. I wonder how that plays into your statement here!

174 posted on 05/15/2010 12:02:04 PM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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