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Chinese explorers stand by claim of Noah's Ark find in Turkey
The Christian Science Monitor ^
| April 30th, 2010
| Stephen Kurczy
Posted on 04/30/2010 3:13:27 PM PDT by FootBall
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To: SunkenCiv
Major sort of movie about the flood due out around 2012 Moreover those guys claim the Chinese claim is legit and is the culmination of ten years of effort and within my experience the people at IJNP are 100% straight up and legit. The whole thing is 100% straight up. Believe it, Noah's ark has been found and this time, it's in the age when everybody carries movie cameras around in cellphone circuitry and nobody has to risk being killed getting a 1950s camera up 13000' on a mountain.
To: wendy1946
here's what I got at the link (blank page, so here's the source):
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/strict.dtd">
<!-- <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> -->
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Refresh" CONTENT="0.1">
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Pragma" CONTENT="no-cache">
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Expires" CONTENT="-1">
<TITLE></TITLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY><P></BODY>
</HTML>
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posted on
04/30/2010 6:01:45 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: marron
If the cataclysm was caused by something world-wide, you would expect to see something similar even in mythologies of nations on the other side of the globe, and indeed you do.Uh, how so? The wicked were all destroyed by God in The Flood....weren't they?
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posted on
04/30/2010 6:08:40 PM PDT
by
stboz
To: SunkenCiv
the forum code has been changed tonight. Be that as it may, here's a timely topic:
and some related, older stuff:
and one very old topic about the Ryan & Pitman book/flood:
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posted on
04/30/2010 6:30:19 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: wendy1946
So, they’re making a movie, of which this is just a publicity stunt?
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posted on
04/30/2010 6:36:44 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: wendy1946
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posted on
04/30/2010 6:38:32 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
Vapor Canopy (Dr. Larry Vardiman, P.h.D.)
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Catastrophic Plate Tectonics (Dr. John Baumgardner, P.h.D.)
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Hydroplate Theory (Dr. Walter Brown, P.h.D.)
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Solid Canopy Theory (Dr. Carl Baugh)
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Impact Vertical Tectonics (Michael Oard)
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Collapse Tectonics Model (Phillip Budd)
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posted on
04/30/2010 6:46:17 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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posted on
04/30/2010 6:53:33 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-Issues/2010/0428/Doubt-cast-on-Noah-s-ark-found-in-Turkey
the gist — Evangelical Christian and previously a member of this team, Dr. Randall Price, an evangelical Christian and former member of this team, is director of the Center for Judaic Studies at the conservative Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, wrote in a leaked email that some local Kurds “are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area... During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site. The Chinese team went in the late summer of 2009 (I was there at the time and knew about the hoax) and was shown the cave with the wood and made their film...”
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posted on
04/30/2010 7:47:09 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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posted on
04/30/2010 8:02:30 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: SunkenCiv
Notice the obvious touch of fakery — the straw. 4000+ year old straw on which the animals must have lain, and it really helped sell the hoax.
If it formed any sort of shelter, the straw could have been from anyone's use of it during the last 4000 years.
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posted on
04/30/2010 8:05:48 PM PDT
by
aruanan
To: aruanan
Particularly since the wood was lugged up sometime in the past couple of years, but then they’d have to haul the straw too. Which figures, because it’s a HOAX.
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posted on
04/30/2010 8:35:16 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: SunkenCiv
If someone is going to try to pull off a hoax they should at least try to do a good job.
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posted on
04/30/2010 8:47:09 PM PDT
by
rdl6989
(January 20, 2013- The end of an error.)
The apparent railroad ties used for this latest hoax don't look anything like 4000 years old, which I guess isn't surprising, since there were no railroads back then.
Aegean Dendrochronology Project
December 1998 Progress Report
Peter I. Kuniholm
A well-preserved juniper post, painted blue and with modern door hinges, was recovered from a modern village house simply because it looked suspiciously old. The sample we were given did not fit anything in our Neolithic inventory, so we sent a piece of it to Heidelberg to see what radiocarbon analysis would reveal. The date is 2117 B.C. + 110 years, which means it is from some Early Bronze Age occupation near the lake at Kastoria.
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posted on
04/30/2010 8:52:01 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: rdl6989
Oh, they did a good enough job, for some. :’)
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posted on
04/30/2010 8:52:26 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
To: SunkenCiv
I guess they carried up Lava Flows along with the Wood to create one of a kind elaborate Hoax.
Mount Ararat was most notably Volcanically active around 3000 b.c. and a few times since. You will notice the lava flow covering the wooden beams in some places and actually ending the beams as they seem burnt through in attached picture (left center). Hard to plant something like this. Either this is Noah's Ark or an old man-made structure (ref. 1840 volcanic activity) that has been exposed to volcanic activity.
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posted on
04/30/2010 9:41:01 PM PDT
by
FootBall
To: tutstar
Still, until there is a tree ring and carbon dating analysis, there is no way to know that this structure wasn’t built by some small Christian/Zoroastrian/Jewish sect that believed in some doomsday cult that was related to the Noah and pre-Noah great flood folklore.
The people who built this could have been reading the same Biblical story we know, and decided it was going to happen again.
To: SunkenCiv
Particularly since the wood was lugged up sometime in the past couple of years, but then they’d have to haul the straw too. Which figures, because it’s a HOAX.
Since this region has shrines (and place names) commemorating Noah going back hundreds if not thousands of years, it wouldn't be surprising to see something like this.
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posted on
05/01/2010 6:33:59 AM PDT
by
aruanan
To: aruanan
I’m among those who thinks there’s some basic actual events behind the tale of Noah and the Ark — but I would be very surprised if it is found. It’s not like the Ark was some small thing, and it’s not as if no one has lived in the area during the intervening millennia, and not as if no one has ever previously looked for it. And — nothing. Hagopian claimed to have been all up inside it, but that claim never produced anything except a “replica”.
The Ark has been reported by various folks who went looking for it, and it has never been found. This particular story doesn’t have anything going for it, and has a former insider saying it’s a fake. So, it would not/will not be surprising when the story breaks down.
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posted on
05/01/2010 8:04:16 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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