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To: NYCslicker
I’m very specifically asking why you think there is a need to obtain your freedom from another entity.

If someone steals your wallet, why would you want to get it back?

I’m asking why you don’t think that freedom is essentially a part of you that cannot be granted to you by someone or something or God.

I do think that freedom is a part of us... it IS a part of us which others seek to rob from us for their own personal gains.

Why is it necessary that God is the one that grants you freedom?

Because every thing and every being ultimately belongs to Him. His gift of free will to man also made it possible to choose separation (independence) from God.

Why is it not possible that you simply have freedom and that you didn’t need to get it from anyone? Why is it necessary?

Why does one man enslave another then?
Why did Hitler try to wipe out the Jews?
Are you suggesting that there is no evil in the world that seeks to deprive mankind of freedom?

And if its not necessary and essential to your existence, then what is the need of God?

Your understanding of "existence" is different than mine.
Your existence has an end in your mind. Mine does not.
Your if/then clause is horribly flawed.
Because I belong to God, I am free. God gave me the freedom to make that choice. I didn't attain it. God is necessary for freedom.
137 posted on 04/30/2010 12:03:39 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Safrguns

But someone hasn’t stolen your wallet except in your own mind.

Your freedom wasn’t granted to you by anyone or anything. It’s yours for the claiming. You don’t have to be subservient to any entity to have it or to keep it, and being subservient to an entity will not guarantee it. If its taken away by a party here on earth, acknowledging God will not give it back.

Everything belongs to you that you are good enough to get. Everything does not belong to you that you let slip away.

There are no two different meanings of existence. Existence is existence. Your existence has an end. Mysticism is the great mind-killer. It gives you a big huge excuse not to think logically, until you no longer exist. A equals A. No amount of wishing will make it not so.

But of course, your opinion is also a part of your freedom.

The reason this is important is the left exploits our reliance on mysticism to their advantage. Its the ultimate justification and excuse for every overspent unfunded social mandate ever conceived. Its the root of the problem.

The reasoning runs like this:

“You are not worthy, so the collective (substitute church or state) will help you redeem yourself. How do you redeem yourself? You need to sacrifice yourself. How do you sacrifice yourself? You need to give your life. Don’t want to give your life? Ok then you need to give your time. Can’t give your time? Ok then you need to give your money. Can’t give your money? Ok then well of course you will allow taxes to be higher, because after all, you are not worthy to begin with, and you need to be redeemed. How can you say government should be small and we should let people do whatever they want? That’s not responsible! After all, not only are you not worthy, neither is anyone else. You not going to allow yourself to be sacrificed and not ask everyone else to be sacrifice would you? That wouldn’t be fair to you would it?” [end of example]

And it all starts with the insidious concept smuggled into religion that 1.) you are basically not worthy, you are in need of “redemption.” 2.) you need to surrender your mind and your ability to reason to some higher “feeling” -based altruistic “good.” (substitute church or God or state, it doesn’t matter the effect is the same.) Notice this both provides you the justification not to think and a reason to feel good about your decision not to think, and an excuse for the left to institutionalize theft by the government from individuals.

And conservatives and the Right fall for it every time, because of deep guilt and failure to acknowledge their own sovereignty over their own mind, not owing to anyone or anything. There are countless examples, too numerous for this format. The Left is not anti-religion, like many conservatives think. The Left loves religion. Its their claim to your life and your mind.


153 posted on 04/30/2010 4:13:23 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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