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To: conservativegramma
I wrote: It doesn’t really matter what the Framers had in mind..

You wrote: WOW. That just says it all. The Constitution no longer matters and yet you swore an oath to defend what doesn't really matter?

I say potato, you say tomato. Did the Framers intend Indian children to be natural born citizens? Did the Framers intend that the children of slaves would be natural born citizens? No. But their intent does not matter. Nor is the Framers' intent EQUAL the Constitution. That is why they are different words with different spelling.

Do you think the Framers intended income tax? Women voting?

345 posted on 04/22/2010 2:08:25 PM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: douginthearmy
Did the Framers intend Indian children to be natural born citizens? Did the Framers intend that the children of slaves would be natural born citizens? No. But their intent does not matter.

BS. They intended many things and knew there would be many contested issues that they could not forsee, which is why they set up the amendment system, and a system that would require 2/3 of the states to approve.

First, Slavery was a hotly contested issue even in the 18th century. Jefferson, Hamilton, Franklin all put the issue on the back burner so as to be united against a common enemy - the British. When the war was over the constitution was a prudential compromise to insure that a new nation would survive united. Frederick Douglass wrote: [The constitution] was never, in its essence, anything but an anti-slavery government understanding full well that the constitution itself set up a system by which slavery would someday be abolished. Read and Learn

You're obviously a product of our modern education system which has trashed our foundings and re-written American history. Because only someone who has been indoctrinated with this flawed view of our founders, our Constitution, and our history would ever say the 'intent of the framers doesn't matter'.

Secondly, It is only when the opinions and thoughts of the founding fathers are ignored that we end up with unconstitutional rulings like income tax and healthcare.

You don't get to weasel out of what you said - "It really doesn't matter what the Framers had in mind" - nope, you said it, and that statement speaks volumes.

353 posted on 04/22/2010 2:58:40 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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