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To: old republic; Rutabega
As you may be aware, American law and pretty much the whole Western world determined one's citizenship primarily through the Father and thus all women were considered to be the citizenship of their father if they were single or of their husband if they were married....Since you were unmarried at the time of your birth and the Father was not legally recognized, your son would have probably inherited your citizenship, and consequently, there is a high chance that under the law your son would have been considered a NBC under the old system."

Very well thought out and reasoned response....I had forgotten about the "derivative citizenship" laws particularly as they applied to unmarried women who had children with unknown or undeclared fathers.

You are correct in that circumstance that Rutabega's son probably would be NBC since there is no father stated on the BC. My apologies Rutabega in seeming to come down so harsh in my zeal to protect the Constitution. But like you said old republic, with today's laws its now all convoluted.

On an interesting side note: My own daughter is living overseas her husband being employed by the State Department working out of one of our embassies. She had a baby last Fall born here in the states (she came home to have the baby). Did you know that the State Department advised her to do this???? They even PAID to put her up in a hotel for 3 months (your tax dollars at work). The reasoning? To insure that the baby would be a natural born American citizen without doubt - i.e, - jus soli and jus sanquis. She was told her baby would be a U.S. citizen if born overseas, but at some point may not be declared natural born, so they advised her to come home! True story.

Definitely needs to be resolved by SCOTUS. IMO they are committing treason by continuing to evade and duck this issue!

335 posted on 04/22/2010 1:29:08 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: conservativegramma

That is really intresting! The state dept paid as the employer, or just because they were being kind (I mean, if a non state employee, but part of an American couple living overseas wanted to make sure about having an NBC child. . .)?
I can see that being born overseas would leave more up in the air about naturalized versus natural born. My kids were born in the US, though, and I am a NBC.
I apologize for being snarky in my last post to you.


336 posted on 04/22/2010 1:36:35 PM PDT by Rutabega (European 'intellectualism' has NOTHING on America's kick-a$$ism!)
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To: conservativegramma
I admire your zeal to defend our Constitution. I wish more people would defend it to the best of their ability. Our country needs people like that, especially now. When those sworn to defend our Constitution intentionally break their oaths and fail to preserve, defend, and protect the Constitution, they are committing one of the greatest acts of treachery and will deprive the blessings of liberty from ourselves and our posterity. The NBC issue must be settled immediately, and honestly or we in effect no longer have a Constitution that means anything.

I had forgotten that the State Department actively encouraged giving birth in the US. I was under the impression that those born in the Armies of the United States and those born to diplomats were considered to be NBCs even if born abroad. It looks like not even the State Department are sure what an NBC is anymore and need to be on the safe side just in case.

351 posted on 04/22/2010 2:51:42 PM PDT by old republic
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