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To: Rutabega
You have a major problem with constructing valid analogies: "“John and Mary came from England in the year 1800 and had a baby as soon as she stepped off of the boat, but that baby won’t be eligible to run for president in 35 years because his parents were not born in the US prior to the Revolution ('prior to the revolution' is a strawman because of the exception clause the Founders wrote into the Constitution), and were not yet US citizens at the time of the birth (prior to the Revolution, there were NO U.S. Citizens).”

You've run yourself around after your own assumption, trying to prove your assumption, and made errors in your reasoning. The definition of Natural Born Citizen was well established in the latter part of the eighteenth century, that's why the founders used the term without defining it, kind of like 'arms' in the 'keep and bear arms' part. You want an anchor baby to be more than just a citizen, and there are agitprops working FR who also assume that which they set out to prove, that just being a non-naturalized citizen qualifies under modern interpretation of the Constitution. Have fun with your tail chasing.

322 posted on 04/22/2010 12:21:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
If you take out the clause about the parents not being in the US prior to the revolution, I am just not sure how the analogy isn't valid, when comparing two people who crossed the border from Mexico to have a baby in the US so they can get benefits. I will agree that the parents in my analogy were not out for welfare for life, but they were not US citizens.

Not chasing my tail, just adding some new thoughts to the argument that is not really going anywhere.

Anyway, isn't there a lot of argument about what they meant by “keep and bear arms” and that's why there are (invalid) laws on the books in certain states that limit the types of firearms? I am pro-2nd amendment, so I am certainly not trying to justify those arguments, but to pretend that there haven't been any arguments so you can bolster your position that there aren't disagreements on what “natural born citizen” means is sort of disingenuous.

329 posted on 04/22/2010 1:10:40 PM PDT by Rutabega (European 'intellectualism' has NOTHING on America's kick-a$$ism!)
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