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To: panthermom

I understand the point, and agree with it. I don’t think “nobody” wants to touch it, as it is discussed at length on FR.

I think he was born in Kenya, but I agree that just having an alien father proves him a non-NBC. If 0bama Sr is his actual father, listed on his actual birth certificate.

If it is proved he was born out of the US, that will be easier for people in general and courts, but the issue certainly needs to be cleared up.


321 posted on 04/22/2010 12:19:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I understand the point, and agree with it. I don’t think “nobody” wants to touch it, as it is discussed at length on FR.

Hey - I just found this book written in 1728. I need to track down the cites - but this is the first time that I have read an author who specifically states that the child of an alien IS NOT a natural born subject, but rather, a Denizen. Prior to this, I had to infer it from the writngs of Blackstone, etc.

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Cyclopaedia: Ephraim Chambers [The First Volume] - 1728

Alien: In Law, a Person born out of the King’s Allegiance, and consequently not capable of inheriting Lands in England, till naturaliz’d by Act of Paliament. See Naturalization.

Of these there are two Kinds, viz. Alien-Friends, who are of those Countries which are at peace and league with us; and Enemies, who are of Countries at war with us.

A Man born out of the Land, so it be within the Limits of the King’s Obedience beyond the Seas; or of English Parents out of the King’s Obedience, so the Parents at the Time of the Birth be of such Obedience, is no Alien, but a Subject of the King: Stat. 2. 25 Edw. III. commonly called the Statute de natis ultra mare.

[Here is the gem that I found]

Add, that if one born out of the King's Allegiance come and dwell in England ; his Children begotten here are not Aliens, but Denizens. See Denizen.

Denizen: In Law, (from the French Donaison, ie: Donation) an Alien that is Enfranchised here in England by the King's Charter, and Donation; and thereby enabled, in many Respects, to do as the King's Native Subjects do, namely, to purchase, and possess Lands, to hold any Office, or Dignity, etc. Yet is Denizenship short of Naturalization by Parliament. For a Stranger naturalized, may inherit Lands by Descent; which a Denizen cannot. Besides that, in the Charter, whereby a Person is made a Denizen, there is usually some Clause, or other, which abridges him of that full Benefit, which natural Subjects enjoy. When a man is thus Enfranchised, he is said to be Ad Fidem Regis Augliae, or, under the King’s Protection; till such Time his Goods may be seiz’d to the King’s Use.

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Maybe you want to check into this?

400 posted on 04/23/2010 12:16:51 AM PDT by Lmo56
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