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To: conservativegramma

It doesn’t really matter what the Framers had in mind. That may sound crass but it’s true. Parents owing allegiance to foreign sovereigns are diplomats. This has been referenced multiple times. I am not going to make the same case over and over again. As of 2010 in the United States of America you can gain citizenship in 2 ways, by becoming “Naturalized” or by being born a citizen. There is absolutely no 3rd form of citizenship. There has not been any case which has come out and said, “Bob Smith you are a citizen from birth but not a natural born citizen.”


280 posted on 04/22/2010 10:09:45 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: douginthearmy
Two Mexicans cross the border and have a baby. That baby is a citizen, but not a natural born citizen.

(As per David Ramsay, a founding fathers documented definition that is contemporaneous with the drafting of the constitution, and consistent with Vattels law of nations. Law of Nations was the book they had on hand during the drafting of the constitution.)

Unfortunately, The only documented facts that we have on the constitution indicate that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. There is no founding document stating that a native born - dual citizen can also be president. Only a natural born citizen, which he is not.

285 posted on 04/22/2010 10:41:55 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: douginthearmy; conservativegramma; MHGinTN; SatinDoll; All
It doesn’t really matter what the Framers had in mind.

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doug "in the army" has just outed himself totally. He's in the group of "the Constitution is flawed/written by a bunch of dead white male slaveowners"/it's a living document/let's pi** on it" crowd. Thank you very much, doug "inthearmy" for outing youself. Your position is now crystal clear. That's exactly what 0bama and all leftists think of the Constitution. What the writers actually meant means nothing to them (and that includes people such as yourself), and everything to real conservative constitutionalists.

291 posted on 04/22/2010 10:55:42 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: douginthearmy
It doesn’t really matter what the Framers had in mind..

WOW. That just says it all. The Constitution no longer matters and yet you swore an oath to defend what doesn't really matter? God help us.

292 posted on 04/22/2010 10:56:10 AM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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