Posted on 04/16/2010 5:44:36 PM PDT by grand wazoo
Those two States seem to do just fine regulating gambling and prostitution within their borders. Why should a stupid plant be any different?
But what amuses me most is the priorities of the libertarians: Potheads plus the welfare state.
Thanks for putting your astounding ignorance of Libertarian principles on display for all of us to enjoy. Libertarians HATE the welfare state and would end it tomorrow if it weren't supported by BOTH the Republicans and the Dems.
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The only advantages to Marinol is that it is in a pill form and can have a longer duration of effect than smoking marijuana.
That sounds like a pretty good advantage to me.
If only there were a way to deliver asthma medication without resorting to pills. If only...
It seems to me that it is difficult to put a casino or a hooker in a small plastic baggie and put it in your pocket.
Granted, I haven't tried it, so I don't know for sure.
Libertarians HATE the welfare state and would end it tomorrow if it weren't supported by BOTH the Republicans and the Dems.
Or so they say. To be honest, I don't see any articles in Reason written about it. Certainly none posted on FR. And you'd think rather than saying "Both parties do it, I give up!" they'd be a little bit more active about rolling it back bit-by-bit which was done in the mid 90s under the GOP House leadership.
Oh, it wasn't the kind of flashy FIX IT NOW! kind of thing demanded by the libertarian crowd, but we do what we can.
The point I was making, and seems to be having difficulty getting through the fog, is that if you want your libertarian paradise, the way to do it is first to make people responsible for their actions and then give them permission to ruin their lives.
If you do it the other way around, you will never get people off the dole.
I don't think most libertarians are the least bit animated about the welfare state. I think they could care less. What really gets them out of bed in the afternoon is legalizing pot.
Agree there! But who in the hell prescribes pot to a kid for "laziness or ADHD"?
Pot would make them more lazy. And Ritalin is the usual medication for ADHD. They give hyperactive kids Ritalin (speed) because it has an opposite effect on them before puberty, it slows them down where it would speed an adult up. Pot would be useless for ADHD.
I worked in a Middle School while I was getting a Psych (Behavioral Science) degree in the 1990's and I could tell you Ritalin horror stories that were all too common at the time.
A kid starts getting more hyperactive so the pediatrician (who does know a damn thing about ADD or ADHD ) ups his dose, as a result the kid gets even more hyperactive so the doctor continues upping his dose, until the kid is bouncing off the walls like a speed demon! Why? Because Ritalin must be adjusted downward when the kid goes through puberty, but the doctor didn't know that because no one told him! Meanwhile, the kid has become an even bigger problem for his school, his parents and himself -- and there were fifty just like him at our school each year! I spent half my day dealing with ADD and ADHD kids with their prescribed drug problems.
Prescribed meds are not always the panacea that drug companies would like you to believe. Most of these kids would have been better without taking anything and learning to deal with their feelings and behavior.
Fine, then use the liquor analogy then. In one State, Utah, liquor sales are regulated in a much more stringent manner than in the neighboring State of Nevada. Both States don't seem to have much problem with it.
If Utah wants to prosecute for marijuana use, fine. If Nevada doesn't well that's fine, too. It's a little concept known as "Federalism" and "States Rights". You might want to look into it.
I don't see any articles in Reason written about it.
You need to broaden your sources of information. I promise if you do your level of ignorance will drop dramatically.
which was done in the mid 90s under the GOP House leadership...
That's a hoot. Please name for me one Federal law that was repealed during the "Republican Revolution." Just one will do. While you're at it name for me one Agency, Department, or Bureau which was abolished, defunded, and made no more. Take your time. I'll wait.
Oh, it wasn't the kind of flashy FIX IT NOW! kind of thing demanded by the libertarian crowd, but we do what we can.
Which was of course precisely nothing. Those fools couldn't even get rid of the REA let alone the Department of Education.
is that if you want your libertarian paradise, the way to do it is first to make people responsible for their actions and then give them permission to ruin their lives.
Ah, there is a light on in there. I thought as much.
If you do it the other way around, you will never get people off the dole.
You will if you get rid of the dole. Work or starve. That's the Libertarian philosophy I subscribe to.
I don't think most libertarians are the least bit animated about the welfare state. I think they could care less.
You think wrongly.
Fine, then use the liquor analogy then.
First, I will note that you admit that your first analogy was flawed. Second, I will argue against that one since Utah does not, in fact, ban alcohol by any stretch and it is easier to obtain there than in Pennsylvania.
Making something like marijuana easy to obtain just across the free state border undermines the rights of the state that wants to ban the product and its effects. In order to give that state the rights to which their citizens are entitled, the state border would have to be monitored. If the state does it, then the legalizing state is putting a burden on the state that wants it to be illegal.
You need to broaden your sources of information.
Why? Reason is the most widely circulated journal of libertarian opinion. It answers the question "What are libertarians thinking today?" If I have to dig in other journals, it means that I'm looking for fringe opinions.
Please name for me one Federal law that was repealed during the "Republican Revolution." Just one will do.
Just one? "Congress lifted all federal speed limit controls in the November 28, 1995 National Highway Designation Act, fully delegating speed limit authority to the states."
While you're at it [gee, a pot enthusiast assuming everyone else has unlimited time on their hands, who woulda thunk it? --ed] name for me one Agency, Department, or Bureau which was abolished, defunded, and made no more. Take your time. I'll wait.
"Congress passed various deregulation measures in the 1970s and 1980s. In 1995, when most of the ICC's powers had been eliminated, Congress abolished the agency." The ICC is the Interstate Commerce Commission.
Ah, there is a light on in there. I thought as much.
I am sorry. I made unwarranted assumptions about your intellect.
You will if you get rid of the dole. Work or starve. That's the Libertarian philosophy I subscribe to.
I am a professional research mathematician and even I don't have as little contact with the real world as this. Do you think you are really just going to impose this on people in our system? Let alone after people have decided that being hazy, poor and lazy is OK as long as Uncle Sam buys your food and you can scrounge enough for that stuff that gives you the munchies?
Hell, you guys haven't been able to put a dent in the welfare state for 80 years now.
Wait, I'm wrong. You do complain that other people aren't doing enough. I guess that's something. Complaining.
Do you think the New Deal Commerce Clause is in keeping with its original understanding... yes or no?
No.
I have noticed there are a lot of church ladies, regardless of gender.
I don't understand the mentality either.
National marijuana prohibition depends on the New Deal Commerce Clause. Do you support national mj prohibition by fedgov?
You asked me one question. I answered it.
We having some kind of quiz here? Is this about me now?
Ever drive from Nevada into California? There are Agricultural border checkpoints everywhere. You need to get out more.
If the state does it, then the legalizing state is putting a burden on the state that wants it to be illegal.
Cry me a river. There are literally "dry" neighborhoods in Dallas. I suppose you'd like to make the entire City of Dallas ban alcohol so the poor widdle dry neighborhoods aren't unduly burdened. The same thing is true in Kentucky at the County level. So you best get busy destroying the Bourbon industry in Kentucky.
People like you always have a thousand reasons why Liberty won't work. It'd be fascinating if it weren't so poisonous.
Reason is the most widely circulated journal of libertarian opinion.
If you say so.
Congress lifted all federal speed limit controls in the November 28, 1995 National Highway Designation Act, fully delegating speed limit authority to the states."
Mighty big of them. Got another?
The Interstate Commerce Commission you say. Well be still my beating heart. One whole Commission....wow...talk about your bold steps. Don't go for everything in one bite now. Best to take a few decades to get rid of another one.
Remind me again how many the Republicans got rid of under Bush?
Do you think you are really just going to impose this on people in our system?
And yet you're perfectly content to impose the opposite system on the rest of us. Here's a clue Mr. Research Mathemitician; 47% of Americans no pay zero income tax and almost 40% are being paid some sort of Federal 'benefit'. Crunch those numbers and get back to me.
I'm sick of paying for slackers to slack, and I'm sick of paying for babysitters to watch them. Legalize all of it and sell it to anyone over 18 in five pound sacks at Safeway. Conversely get rid of every single 'benefit' from Food Stamps to direct welfare payments to 'free' emergency medical care.
Put all the poison you want into your body but pay for it AND the effects and leave me the hell alone.
Hell, you guys haven't been able to put a dent in the welfare state for 80 years now
And your Republicans have done such a bang-up job of denting it. Hell, they haven't even scratched the paint. In fact they added the largest Federal 'benefit' since frigging LBJ. Yea, they've got the moral high ground on this health care thingy after expanding Medicare to levels Johnson couldn't have dreamed of.
Wait, I'm wrong. You do complain that other people aren't doing enough.
That's because you're not. And complaining about the Republicans is far better that what the Republicans have been doing for the last 15 years, namely making the problem worse.
It is a plant, a weed. There is no refinement. It is likely less harmful than arugula.
I understand it. They're the same sort of people who supported Prohibition in the early part of the last century. The lessons are plain for anyone with a brain, well we'll have to accept some research mathemeticians apparently, to see.
Prohibition was a disaster. It didn't put a dent in alcohol consumption, it lead to unheard of levels of organized, violent crime, public and political corruption, and was by any measure an unmitigated failure.
Yet people on this board which has as its stated purpose a return to Constitutional governance, still chearlead for the Federal government to put people into prison for smoking a particular type of plant.
It's the textbook definition of insanity.
Now they want to Legalize Pot, even though it was Decriminalized years ago. With the current Medical Marijuana Laws in place, it already is treated as a Legal substance.
Like Liberalism, the acceptability of drug use in Society is Incremental. California is at the point of no return.
No, it's about your position on the topic under discussion.
You said the New Deal Commerce Clause was not in keeping with original understanding. Yet your comments seem supportive of federal mj prohibition, which depends on Wickard.
If you do in fact support this policy, then you are supporting a violation of the Constitution. Do you support fedgov in its national prohibition of marijuana... yes or no?
As soon as the product is shipped “legally” across State Lines the Commerce Clause goes into effect, thus making it a Federal issue.
Sovereignty is with the states. That's what "states' rights" means.
Bourbon industry in Kentucky.
Interestingly, Moore county, TN is dry. Jack Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey is distilled there.
Reason is the most widely circulated journal of libertarian opinion.
If you say so.
600K. It's not up with NR, TNR or the Nation, but it's respectable.
Mighty big of them. Got another?
Proving my point yet again. You obnoxiously asked for one example. One. I gave you one. Now you want another. Just like a welfare recipient. You wait for me to give things to you and it's not enough. I answered your silly questions. If you want to debate further, bring something to the table.
Remind me again how many the Republicans got rid of under Bush?
Bitch, bitch, bitch...whine, whine, whine.
"Don't blame me, I don't get involved, politics is too dirty for the likes of pure old me."
And yet you're perfectly content to impose the opposite system on the rest of us. Here's a clue Mr. Research Mathemitician;
First, it's Doctor Research Mathematician. And I will have the grace not to point out your poor spelling.
47% of Americans no pay zero income tax and almost 40% are being paid some sort of Federal 'benefit'.
Wow, sounds like you libertarians have done a great job. Pat yourselves on the back.
Nah, that would be too much effort. Complain that Republicans aren't patting you on the back.
I'm sick of paying for slackers to slack, and I'm sick of paying for babysitters to watch them. Legalize all of it and sell it to anyone over 18 in five pound sacks at Safeway. Conversely get rid of every single 'benefit' from Food Stamps to direct welfare payments to 'free' emergency medical care.
Once again, this will not happen. Will. Not. And you just advocate making it more difficult. You think people will take away money from the poor child of the pothead mom?
Ah, it doesn't matter. You know full well that you can feign outrage about the welfare state knowing that nothing will ever happen about it.
And your Republicans have done such a bang-up job of denting it.
You've done less. Even less. Actions speak louder than words and you and your ilk are mute. Obama's driving this country into full-bore socialism and the self-appointed leaders of the vanguard of liberty are wasting their effort on pot.
Well done, guys. Liberty is safe in your hands.
the Republicans...the Republicans...
Well, at least the freedom to complain is still intact.
I don’t care what you think, why are you so hung up on me?
No really, I have no concern whatsoever regarding your opinion on any issue.
And I don’t care about your quizzes. If you can’t make a coherent and logical case on the merits I won’t respond to you.
I've won two elections. How many have you won?
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