[Woodstock]

"You might think they are friends. They aren’t. They love themselves first, as their behavior here shows. Don’t waste you time debating online. You can show a lib the light, but only one-on-one and with a lot of caring effort."

Pitar, you are so correct. Tonight, they try me and disgust me more than most. Since we all grew up together, I do consider them fiends and for the most-part there is respectful dialog. The only problem is, I respect nothing they have to say.

[a fool in paradise]

Since we all grew up together, I do consider them fiends and for the most-part there is respectful dialog. The only problem is, I respect nothing they have to say.

Perhaps you should summarize it down to these lines and post that.

Debating the proper solutions to "offset" man's impact on the "climate" is a pointless exercise when discussions of "cooked books" and "no oversight" and an academic "blacklist" for dissenting scientists are off the table.

Same goes for discussions of nationalized healthcare. It wasn't "reform", it was a complete restructuring of the entire system. Unless we start to prosecute those who call 911 for NON-emergency medical care the same as we would someone who calls 911 over a Chicken McNuggets sale (which was a criminal act as the sale was made, the product was sold out, and the cashier refused a refund), we will STILL be picking up the cost of "uninsured" patients who skip their tabs.