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Why the iPad will Flop
Seeking Alpha ^ | 04/04/2010 | Alex Cook

Posted on 04/07/2010 3:12:46 AM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: Star Traveler
Read up on the story of how he screwed Wozniak out of several thousands of dollars in their early partnership. Then read up on his treatment of his illegitimate daughter. And many others.

As I said, he may be successful, but "I" personally want nothing whatsover to do with anything he has to do with. Jobs is dishonest....period. This may help him be a "successful" capitalist, but I refuse to do business with folks of that sort.

81 posted on 04/07/2010 10:16:28 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: SoothingDave

Probably the biggest difference is Windows Mobile/7 vs the iPhone/iPad OS. These are completely different user experiences, the content may be the same, but the interaction with it is completely different, and undoubtedly more intuitive and a vastly superior experience.

Touchpads on netbooks cannot remotely compare to the user experience of a multi touch device, let alone the simple elegance that is the iPhone OS.. Its not perfect by any means, but it is far and away a better use experience than anything running an MS OS.

Can you watch a movie on both devices? Certainly... the intutiveness and ease of doing so though is vastly superior on the apple OS than anything a traditional note or net book can offer.


82 posted on 04/07/2010 10:19:40 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Yea well, 26K songs wouldn’t fit on the iPhone. Not mine anyway.


83 posted on 04/07/2010 10:23:57 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: SoothingDave

Using a mouse? Seriously if you are arguing the mouse, you really are missing why Apples mobile products have changed the game so significantly in the last few years.

The mouse and touchpad are things of the past, those 2 things alone are why the iPad has the potential at least to change the market.

Go pick up a traditional cell phone prior to the iPhone, now navigate to what you want to do and interact with it, even some of the most elegant pre touch screen designed hardware cannot remotely compete with the iPhone multi touch interface.

This is where the game change can come from.. can I survive on a laptop with a touchpad? Yep... is it as easy to use as that same laptop with a mouse nope.. but that means I have to lug my mouse around with me too... and even with the mouse, the interface is not as intuitive and the user experience nowhere near the level that the Apple OS on these mobile devices provide.

Don’t get me wrong, iPad may be nothing but a flash in the pan, and certainly at this moment in time, its more hype that proven game changer, that doesn’t mean it won’t be. Time will tell.

I think that the multi touch interfaced tablet concept is absolutely going to be a game changer, and Apple, by being the first significant mover at least to the masses in this space, definitely has the potential to be a if not the Market Leader in the space.... Time will tell.


84 posted on 04/07/2010 10:27:09 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Star Traveler

“...they seem ‘godlike’.”

Oh my Star, I’m not even going to go there. :-)

“Apple does such a fine job of ‘advancing the industry’...”

Apple advanced a couple of items. The OS? Yes. MP3 players? Yes. Smart phones? Yes. There are no real internal advances in Apple computers. They look different, but the components are the same.

The hardware industry was advancing quite well without Apple. Apple started using Intel chips after touting the super advanced G4 and G5 architecture. The Intel chips were all moving forward faster than Apple’s choice. (Do you remember the Burn Baby Burn ads that Apple ran?)

“...to the benefit of the consumer.”

I’d say “the high-end consumer”. That’s OK, they got stuck in that niche, but much of the computer industry simply shrugs and says, “Er, pretty, but I can do that on my PC.”


85 posted on 04/07/2010 10:27:22 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: Wonder Warthog; Swordmaker
You were saying ...

Read up on the story of how he screwed Wozniak out of several thousands of dollars in their early partnership. Then read up on his treatment of his illegitimate daughter.

Sorry... I don't buy gas at the gas station according to whether the manager working there hollers at his dog and/or kicks it... LOL ... (he might but, that's something he's going to have to deal with not me... I'm there for gas, doncha know).

And when I'm at Walmart, I don't care too much about whether that stocker that I pass in the aisle or the manager who is calling the meeting in the corner is cussing out his wife when he gets home, because I'm not running his life, doncha know... he'll have to deal with it... LOL ...

And when I go to fix my car and replace the alternator, I don't care that the mechanic there is screwing his next door neighbor and his wife doesn't know it. I'm there to get my car fixed, doncha know ... LOL ...

And when I'm out looking around for another pair of jeans and buying them, and I see the manageer of that department screaming at some poor employee, because that manager's a jerk, I don't care, because all I'm doing is buying those jeans, doncha know... that's his problem to work out ...

And when I'm buying stock for my retirement program and watching it go up (hopefully) and I find out that the CEO's employees call him the hardest ass they've ever worked for before, I don't care, because I'm trying to get the price of my stock up... LOL ...

So, if you want to run your life around ... all contingent upon everyone else's problems... sure... go right ahead, but leave me out of your world... thank you ... LOL ....

And when I buy my computer and the great phone that I have (an iPhone, doncha know... LOL ...) and I hear that the CEO is a jerk and some people criticize him for various choices that he's made personally and with other people -- I don't care as long as that computer I buy is the best one I can get (and it is... ) and that phone works fantastically (which it does). I don't care, because that's "his business" -- and mine is getting a computer and a phone, doncha know ... LOL ...

86 posted on 04/07/2010 10:32:53 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Leonard210
You were saying ...

Oh my Star, I’m not even going to go there. :-)

You're right, I wouldn't go there either, in "seeming godlike" -- because that's not where the problem is. The problem is the rest of the industry seeming "turd-like" -- which then makes Apple seem "godlike" doncha know... LOL ...

87 posted on 04/07/2010 10:35:01 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Swordmaker

IMO, the iPad is a larger version of the iPod Touch, which is an extremely useful device. The iPad will change things, it’s a question of how much.


88 posted on 04/07/2010 10:35:45 AM PDT by FTJM
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To: Star Traveler

I haven’t been following the iPad threads. What’s your take Star? Did you get one? Need one? Or maybe just want one?


89 posted on 04/07/2010 10:45:08 AM PDT by Leonard210 (Tagline? We don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: Leonard210
You were saying ...

I haven’t been following the iPad threads. What’s your take Star? Did you get one? Need one? Or maybe just want one?

Oh man! You can't believe how much I could get into that thing right now... LOL ...

But, I did decide to get another laptop first and so that's going to get done before I get this thing.

However, I've got a cousin who really doesn't like "computers" (yeah, they're all computers actually, the iPhone, the iPad the laptop, etc...) -- but I can see from the way my cousin "works" and thinks -- that this would be the absolutely perfect device.

I think that one is coming for my cousin... :-)

As far as your specific question... do I "need" one... well, I actually don't need a whole lot of stuff that I have... I mean how much does someone really "need" as compared to what they "have to have" in order to survive as a living being.

That question of "need" is a complex one, though, if you get into societal "needs" and how your quality of life is ("needs") and so on. So, I don't really find that question or its answer too useful really.

Because if I am going to answer it, I'm going to answer the question of "need" according to what it takes for a living body to keep living biologically speaking -- and in that sense, I need hardly anything in this life, you see.... LOL ...

And with "want one" -- well that's about everything else that we do in life beyond, eating, sleeping, shelter, clothing... everything else and I mean "everything else" is simply "want"... but once again... I don't know how useful that is... in the question or the answer.

I think basically, if someone is thinking in those terms and wanting to know how their "life" should go "beyond the issue of absolute need" -- then where a person has to get answers for that is in the Bible... past that -- get whatever you want, whenever you want... if that's what you think is useful to you (and I'm talking about within normal societal and human parameters).

You see..., you just can't answer these types of questions without analyzing enough other details about "existence" -- which would encompass enough to write about ten books in the process of doing that.

That's why these types of questions are never useful in this type of context... how many people are going to read about ten books-worth of answer to those questions... LOL ...

I'll boil it down to -- a simple "Yeah, I'm getting it because it's going to do things that I want to do." And there you have it in its most simplistic form -- the good ole "American consumer way of thinking"... ain't it great! LOL ...

90 posted on 04/07/2010 11:04:05 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: SamAdams76

And we need instant on so all the losers on the airplane can call home the instant the rubber hits the road. ;-)


91 posted on 04/07/2010 11:06:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: RightOnline

Mark my words....subsequent releases of the iPad will have these added (and more) and will obviously be hundreds of dollars cheaper.

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I understand that the first cars that came out didn’t have radios. And no bucket seats.

The first IBM pcs were expensive paperweights.

Why does it surprise anyone that companies make a decision to release a product earlier with fewer bells and whistles, features, benefits, whatever, instead of waiting for Perfection in V1.0?

Of course the product will improve and become less costly. I believe we all remember 1000 dollar VHS machines. That had no slo mo or visible fast forward features.


92 posted on 04/07/2010 11:10:26 AM PDT by dmz
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To: t1b8zs
Hope the iPAD works better than the 27Inch all in one that 300,000 plus customers are having screen flicker problems with

Strange, mine was delivered on day one, and has functioned flawlessly ever since., have never had a flicker. My iMac, is the core i7, maybe others have had a different experience.

93 posted on 04/07/2010 11:28:21 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: raybbr
let’s hear some reasons why someone SHOULD buy this thing

Because they love Steve and are inside his Reality Distortion field, no other reason is needed.
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94 posted on 04/07/2010 11:34:53 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: raybbr
I have an MP3 player that cost me fifty bucks and can play any music I put on it.

I have a riding lawn mower that cost me $1500.00, when I could have had a weed hook for only 4 bucks, what a waste. I am dumping that dang Lawn mower for sure.

95 posted on 04/07/2010 11:39:41 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: RightOnline
Let me put it another way. If I was the product manager for this thing,

It would never have made it to market.

Apple is in business to make money, do you know anyone that is more successful than they are, right now? $40,000,000,000.00 in Cash.

96 posted on 04/07/2010 11:52:19 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: raybbr
Does all the media, songs mostly, have to come through I-tunes due to RMA restrictions? I have never bought an Ipod for that reason. I have an MP3 player that cost me fifty bucks and can play any music I put on it.

iTunes songs no longer have the digital rights management restrictions they once had. You can also rip MP3s from your own CDs to iTunes with no restrictions and put them on an iPod or iPad...

97 posted on 04/07/2010 12:07:22 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
No doubt people built their own radios and televisions, close to a century ago. Who does now?

My father did, and he had a third grade education. I used to love digging in and upgrading my old Macs, when they were not easy to dig into.

I used to over hall engines for my cars, I had my own boreing bar so I could overbore and put in bigger pistons, now I am happy that they just start and go, I have not looked under a hood in over 10 years, and I don't intend to.

98 posted on 04/07/2010 12:17:48 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Dead Corpse
What kind of picture does THAT paint for you?

I don't know, maybe Sabotage...Just sayin....

99 posted on 04/07/2010 12:19:45 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Dead Corpse
What kind of picture does THAT paint for you?

Bad... but still not typical. I have had reports from businesses that have had 50% failure rates from Dell... so what. The overall reported failures for Apple products is still far lower than for any other manufacturer. Anecdotes do not statistics or facts make.

100 posted on 04/07/2010 12:22:46 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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