[decimon]

Seedy living ping.

[WackySam]

Only 10% decrease?

I reduced mine 50% through diet and exercise alone.

[neverdem]

It's really hard to know why [there was no effect in women] and whether these substances are counteracting, possibly, some testosterone in men, which of course women don't have.

In women, testosterone is produced in various locations. One quarter of the hormone is produced in the ovary, a quarter is produced in the adrenal gland, and one half is produced in the peripheral tissues from the various precursors produced in the ovaries and adrenal gland.