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To: Natural Law; Quix; JoeProBono; Dr. Eckleburg; Steelfish; count-your-change; Happy Rain; ...
Are you so desperate to disparage the Church that you will resort to quoting the Guardian and repeating lies? The letter you are referring to was written in 1922 and was re-issued in English in 1962. Your summary of the contents is fallacious.

The letter referred to was EPISTULA DE DELICTIS GRAVIORIBUS signed by Cardinal Ratzinger Grand Inquisitor of the Holy office. 18th May 2001.

...Congregationis pro Doctrina Fidei, die 18 maii 2001.

+ JOSEPHUS Card. RATZINGER
Praefectus
+ Tharsicius BERTONE, S.D.B.
archiep. em. Vercellensis
a Secretis

The 1922/1962 letter you refer to is Crimen Sollicitationis or "Crime of Solicitation"

In 1922 Ratzinger was not born and in 1962 he was a young man in his thirties.

My summary is fallacious.

That was a summary of the letter by the Guardian and Observer, but let us see the original articles of the 1922/1962 letter published in English by the Vatican Press in 1962, that you refer to and tell me if it is fallacious.

Are you so desperate to disparage the Church that you will resort to quoting the Guardian and repeating lies?

When discussing the Catholic Church's scandals, deception, pedophilia, homosexuality, misogyny, Vatican rent-a-seminarian, "2 meters, 98 kilos, very active,"and according to Canon Law advocating child marriage, the only desperation that comes to mind is the first line of defense that they know nothing. Highly entertaining circus perhaps, shooting fish in a barrel, but desperate - sorry you can't make this stuff up, here is one professor of Canon Law who did not get the message until yesterday:

Saturday March 20th 2010

His views on shielding clerical sex abusers led to him being silenced by his bishop and branded a "grade A1 idiot" by a senior priest yesterday.

But when controversial Monsignor Maurice Dooley declared in 2002 that bishops did not have to tell the police about paedophile clerics, nobody in the Catholic Church said anything.

He is the same priest who in 2001 branded Celia Larkin as Bertie Ahern's "concubine" and said priests could ignore state law to marry 14-year-old girls, according to church laws.

His boss Archbishop Dermot Clifford silenced the cleric on Thursday but none of the hierarchy intervened when Dooley made even more outrageous comments eight years ago.

Speaking then about paedophile priests, the canon law expert said it was not up to the church to give files on child abuse to the gardai.

He said bishops were entitled to ignore criminal law and to conceal a paedophile cleric's actions from the authorities -- even if it meant going to prison.

Mgr Dooley said bishops were not required to report past cases of sexual abuse and might even shelter the priest. "As far as the church is concerned, its laws comes first," he said.

The priest provoked fury earlier this week after he said he would not tell gardai if a paedophile priest confessed to him.

Yesterday Fr Michael Canny, speaking on RTE radio's 'Today with Pat Kenny', said: "I do not know the monsignor, but he is a grade A1 idiot."

Fr Canny, a spokesman for the Derry diocese, which made a confidential payment to an abused teenage girl, added: "If (Mgr Dooley) has any experience of the horrendous consequences and the effect that (sexual abuse) has on people then he would not be coming from this standpoint."

Mgr Dooley's views were clearly no different in 2002 when he said: "A bishop swears allegiance to canon law. If there was a real conflict, he would simply have to maintain canon law, even if there was a chance of going to jail."

A bishop's relationship with a priest was similar to that of a parent and child, Fr Dooley said. "As a parent, you are entitled to protect your child or even to conceal him from punishment.

"A bishop's first obligation is to make sure that the abuse does not continue. Past offences and the danger of future offences are two different things.

"He does not have an obligation to see to it that his erring priest is punished in civil law. He is a kind of father figure towards his priest."

The priest retired last year, aged 75, from the north Tipperary parish of Loughmore-Castleliney. From Thurles, he was ordained in 1959.

He also served on a number of leading Vatican committees and as a representative to the Holy See from 1982 to 2005. He was professor of canon law at St Patrick's College, Thurles.

In 1999 he said that, since the church allowed girls to marry at 14 and boys at 16, priests could officiate at such marriages with " tranquil consciences", even if they were breaking state laws.

In 2001 he caused offence to former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern and his then partner Celia Larkin by branding her a concubine.

Read more here

108 posted on 03/21/2010 8:52:08 AM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
WOW reads like Nanny ‘red’ Pelosi working over Congress to force her way upon US.
110 posted on 03/21/2010 9:38:19 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Cardhu
Section 13: The oath of secrecy must be imposed on the accusers and/or denouncers, as well as the accused, who if s/he breaks it will be automatically expelled by that very act.

What is your source for the above statement?

The secrecy was required of the members of the tribunal, NOT the victims.

Purpose of the secrecy

"The document dealt exclusively with the procedure to be followed in connection with a denunciation to the ecclesiastical authority of a priest guilty of solicitation in Confession or of similar acts. It imposed secrecy about the conduct of the ecclesiastical trial, not allowing, for instance, statements made during the trial by witnesses or by the accused to be published. But it did not in any way impose silence on those who were victims of the priest's conduct or who had learned of it in ways unconnected with the ecclesiastical trial.

"These matters are confidential only to the procedures within the Church, but do not preclude in any way for these matters to be brought to civil authorities for proper legal adjudication. The Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People of June, 2002, approved by the Vatican, requires that credible allegations of sexual abuse of children be reported to legal authorities."[6]

Some interpret the secrecy about the procedure as a cover-up of scandalous conduct. This view was presented in a BBC documentary film Sex Crimes and the Vatican.[7] of 1 October 2006.

Others see it as aimed rather at the protection of all involved, the accused, the victim/denouncer and the witnesses, before the verdict was passed: "It allows witnesses to speak freely, accused priests to protect their good name until guilt is established, and victims to come forward who don’t want publicity. Such secrecy is also not unique to sex abuse. It applies, for example, to the appointment of bishops."[8]


116 posted on 03/21/2010 1:12:22 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: Cardhu

Well put.

Thx.


117 posted on 03/21/2010 1:33:18 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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