[OldDeckHand]

" He will argue these rules are perfectly appropriate because the procedure is not being used for the whole bill, just for some fixes; because reconciliation rules are traditionally used for deficit reduction and health care reform will reduce the deficit;"

Not after the House takes a razor to the Cadillac Tax, it won't. The only thing that made the Senate bill palatable, even favorable when it got scored by CBO is that robust Cadillac Tax. But, the unions won't have it, so that's the biggest sticking point. Once that is gone (or raised to such a level it won't affect unions), the price of the original Senate bill is going to skyrocket, especially in the last ten years of the projection - which for the Byrd Rules for Reconciliation, are the most important 10 years. It's a problem for the Dems, even in the Senate.

[TomasUSMC]

I am thinking Pelosi sees this as her ticket to be on the ticket, your opinion?

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Once that is gone (or raised to such a level it won't affect unions), the price of the original Senate bill is going to skyrocket, especially in the last ten years of the projection - which for the Byrd Rules for Reconciliation, are the most important 10 years.

Very true, but Obama doesn't care. Suppose the parliamentarian rules that the cadillac change busts the budget, but Biden overrules. Can a VP be impeached for such an act, which seems illegal?