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To: tired_old_conservative
Motion to Recuse the Honorable Judge Clay D. Land ( latest from Orly Taitz) Saturday, October 03, 2009 9:07:39 PM · 245 of 454 tired_old_conservative to Drew68 Have read this site, but never posted before, so I guess I'll just expect all the RINO and worse accusations even though I've never voted Democratic in my life.

Kind of fascinating to watch this as a lawyer myself. There's just such fundamental misunderstanding of what the court system is and how it works.

Imagine a chemical manufacturing plant. It's not designed to take in just any old feed stock. It can only do a limited number of things for obvious reasons. As you try and broaden the scope of what can be input and still get your product, your plant becomes so large, so expensive, and so complex that it's simply not viable to operate.

Courts are the same way. They're not Soloman or Judge Judy just letting anyone come in to bicker in front of them. They are designed to handle specific types of issues/ideas in conflict, framed in specific ways to be amenable to processing. Just like the chemical plant described above takes only certain feedstocks. That's why lawyers spend so much time in school. They have to be experts in what types of issues/ideas can be meaningfully presented to a court. Same as the engineers in that chemical processing plant are experts in what their process can actually do.

It's obvious that Orly is in way over her head. Based on the filings she's made in this case, she is incompetent. If she was an equivalent engineer running that chemical plant, it would blow up and kill people. Conservatives are supposed to value competence and hard-earned skill. Judge Land is a conservative Republican from Georgia. His decisions have been legally correct, and they are obviously so to anyone competent in the subject matter. To be so emotionally invested in this doomed case that Land is automatically a traiterous fool simply for issuing correct legal opinions is to willfully embrace delusion.

Lawyers are trained to be objective about fact and procedure. Orly seems incapable of either. Her filings in this case are not professional. They are no more than garden variety, pissed off, end-of-the-bar ravings. They are laughable (or cringe worthy) to any competent attorney not blinded by wishful ideology. She's going down hard, and she deserves it. The courts have an important role in our society, and they don't have the time or the resources to waste on ravings.

If you want to hope she succeeds, by all means do so. But please try not to become so invested in Orly Taitz that when her inevitable failure occurs, you denigrate the court system of this wonderful country for properly doing its job.

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tired_old_"conservative"(?) = the "AFTER-BIRTHER."

Since you joined in October you have NOT contributed to anything that resembles a Conservative here on F.R., except for a 24/7-monitoring and jumping in to dispute - (disrupting/spamming tactics aka Alinsky/Cloward-Piven strategy) - toward anyone who have brought up Dr. Orly Taitz and your pal, - the illegal alien and usurper's, - B.C. and other sealed records, or mentioned the Constitution's requirements. You have posted 205 times, in less that three (3) months ONLY on this subject, NOTHING else!

You have not shown any more to be a Conservative than my white cat "Snowman"!!

As a "lawyer" yourself and the way you have been posting there is no doubt that you are a planted mole under the disguise of being a 'Conservative"(?) You are definitely getting your orders from the W.H. counsel Bob Baur (the husband of "MAO" Anita Dunn) together with a handful other "employed" that shows up here 24/7. The W.H. must be proud of you!!!

78 posted on 12/27/2009 12:43:38 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco
Well, this subject is of interest to me. I honestly find it very depressing, because I think conservatism's chances of returning to power are damaged by this type of nonsense. There are conservative principles cited in the thread you dredged up, and I've actually provided a detailed philosophical list of conservative principles at one point. I don't consider moaning about Obama’s birth certificate to be one of them.

I guess I should post about health care some, but I've considered it a foregone conclusion for months that the Democrats will pass something without the name “public option”, all this carrying on amongst them notwithstanding. Wrote letters to my Democratic representative that I'm sure were ignored. Alas, elections do have consequences. That's why it would be nice to win the next one, a goal this birther stuff isn't helping.

I certainly stand by that post you dredged up. It's both lucid and polite, and doesn't presume that parroting the name Alinsky makes me clever.

“As a “lawyer” yourself and the way you have been posting there is no doubt that you are a planted mole under the disguise of being a ‘Conservative”(?) You are definitely getting your orders from the W.H. counsel Bob Baur (the husband of “MAO” Anita Dunn) together with a handful other “employed” that shows up here 24/7. The W.H. must be proud of you!!!”

This kind of stuff both fascinates and depresses me. Do you really believe it? Do you really think anyone in the White House gives a flip what is on these threads, let alone is paying people to monitor them and offer comments? I'm just standing up for rationality. Conservative rationality in particular.

By the way, is that MAO supposed to be the actual Mao, or is it another one of those secret hand shakes you guys have?

79 posted on 12/27/2009 1:17:41 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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