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Is Mormonism Christian? by Late Richard John Neuhaus
November 24, 2009

Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: Buck W.
It says it’s 3.
 
 

1Ki 7:13 And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre.

1Ki 7:14 He [was] a widow's son of the tribe of Naphtali, and his father [was] a man of Tyre, a worker in brass: and he was filled with wisdom, and understanding, and cunning to work all works in brass. And he came to king Solomon, and wrought all his work.

1Ki 7:15 ¶ For he cast two pillars of brass, of eighteen cubits high apiece: and a line of twelve cubits did compass either of them about.

1Ki 7:16 And he made two chapiters [of] molten brass, to set upon the tops of the pillars: the height of the one chapiter [was] five cubits, and the height of the other chapiter [was] five cubits:

1Ki 7:17 [And] nets of checker work, and wreaths of chain work, for the chapiters which [were] upon the top of the pillars; seven for the one chapiter, and seven for the other chapiter.

1Ki 7:18 And he made the pillars, and two rows round about upon the one network, to cover the chapiters that [were] upon the top, with pomegranates: and so did he for the other chapiter.

1Ki 7:19 And the chapiters that [were] upon the top of the pillars [were] of lily work in the porch, four cubits.

1Ki 7:20 And the chapiters upon the two pillars [had pomegranates] also above, over against the belly which [was] by the network: and the pomegranates [were] two hundred in rows round about upon the other chapiter.

1Ki 7:21 And he set up the pillars in the porch of the temple: and he set up the right pillar, and called the name thereof Jachin: and he set up the left pillar, and called the name thereof Boaz.

1Ki 7:22 And upon the top of the pillars [was] lily work: so was the work of the pillars finished.

1Ki 7:23 ¶ And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: [it was] round all about, and his height [was] five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

1Ki 7:24 And under the brim of it round about [there were] knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops [were] cast in two rows, when it was cast.

1Ki 7:25 It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea [was set] above upon them, and all their hinder parts [were] inward.

1Ki 7:26 And it [was] an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.

 So; you've got 2 diameters; one 2 'handbreadths' greater than the other.  

And you've got 2 circumferences as well: the inner and the outer.

Which ones are being described in the BIBLE?

921 posted on 11/28/2009 6:53:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Ha!

I'm wrong every day...multiple times!!

lol!

922 posted on 11/28/2009 6:55:57 PM PST by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: metmom; Enosh; Buck W.
Demanding such precision looks kinda silly, doesn’t it?

Correct, to meet bucky boy's demands the whole rest of the bible and every book written since would have to be filled with all the decimal places because pi is an approximation to begin with.

923 posted on 11/28/2009 6:58:04 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Melian
In addition to the Bible, our faith tradition is two thousand years of the best intellects, saints, and the Holy Spirit all working expand our understanding of what God wants from us.

All you had to do was to read your own Book.

John 6:28-29
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

924 posted on 11/28/2009 6:58:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Buck W.
it...says...the...circ...over...the...diam...is...three...(3)...

Which circ?

Which Diam?

925 posted on 11/28/2009 6:59:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Enosh

excellent observation. The scriptures HAVE to be targeted for discrediting because they speak of God’s absolute words towards humanity.


926 posted on 11/28/2009 7:00:31 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Elsie; Buck W.

slower elsie, you have to type slower


927 posted on 11/28/2009 7:02:01 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ejonesie22

It’s just a flesh wound...


928 posted on 11/28/2009 7:02:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla; Enosh; Buck W.
Correct, to meet bucky boy's demands the whole rest of the bible and every book written since would have to be filled with all the decimal places because pi is an approximation to begin with.

Details, details......

You're right though. No matter how far out you calculated it, he'd demand to know why it wasn't taken to two decimal points more than any answer you gave.

No argument is too absurd for someone on a mission to discredit the Bible.

929 posted on 11/28/2009 7:03:37 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: restornu
Want to read my scriptures toot-a-loo...

Read D&C 132 and then ask yourself; "WHY do I not follow what it says to do?"

WHY do MORMONs get EXCOMMUNICATED from the SLC Organization if they do??

930 posted on 11/28/2009 7:05:09 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: bert

I think I’m beginning to see why it was SO hard to figure out how many angels could dance on the head of a pin: No way to accurately figure the AREA of it!


931 posted on 11/28/2009 7:07:23 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22; Buck W.
You have the attitude that I have most oft seen in atheists and it is a clear fact that you argue not for God's glory but your own self gratification, something I suspect is a recurring theme in other areas of your life as well.

Perhaps that is why you have to keep repeating “I'm a Christian, I'm a Christian”, and even with that most are unconvinced, at least as it pertains to your attitude and presentation.

You're certainly not the only one who's come to the conclusion that he's a poseur.

932 posted on 11/28/2009 7:07:55 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Elsie
Which circ?
Which Diam?

You'll have better luck finding out what smith believed was wrong with Presbyterians than what this guy thinks.

933 posted on 11/28/2009 7:09:35 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

The BEAST + a third...


934 posted on 11/28/2009 7:09:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu; Tennessee Nana; ejonesie22; Elsie; metmom; greyfoxx39; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla

There is only One God who is the Creator of all the rest who are small “g” many will not qualify to be joint heirs with the Savior the only begotten Son of Jesus Christ!

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Wow. Just wow. That is just pure blasphemy! We are not gods with a small “g”, nor will we ever be gods in ANY form. We are “joint heirs”, which means we are ADOPTED children of God, by faith in His son. As adopted children, we, like Jesus, will be allowed into God the Father’s presence. That is ALL that means.

The problem with Mormonism, is they read things into the text (eisegesis) rather than looking at context and reading OUT of the text (exegesis).

IOW, give it up. You will never be a god in any way, shape or form and your attempts at it will draw you farther from God rather than allow you into His presence.


935 posted on 11/28/2009 7:14:38 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana

And the answer is...

“I met the devil at midnight at the crossroads”

?????

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You are Robert Johnson, the blues guitarist? Cool.


936 posted on 11/28/2009 7:15:24 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
Another thing to note is that JS ASSUMES it is God and Jesus, neither of the “personages” say who they are.

Personage #1 says, "This is my son - listen to him."

And personage #2 says...... nothing.

937 posted on 11/28/2009 7:17:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut; restornu; Tennessee Nana; ejonesie22; Elsie; metmom; greyfoxx39; aMorePerfectUnion
There is only One God who is the Creator of all the rest who are small “g” many will not qualify to be joint heirs with the Savior the only begotten Son of Jesus Christ!

Really now resty, I think heavenly father's father would be a bit upset at your representation of mormon doctrine. And a lot of temple mormons will be mad that they are not going to get their own heaven, planets and harems of women to perpetually keep pregnant. I know that last one doesn't turn your crank resty unless you are looking forward to being pregnant all the time in heaven, that is if a male calls you through.

938 posted on 11/28/2009 7:21:09 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla; Elsie

ROTFLMBO!!!


939 posted on 11/28/2009 7:21:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.; metmom; Elsie; ejonesie22; Tennessee Nana
I should have my head examined.


940 posted on 11/28/2009 7:26:17 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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