Is Mormonism Christian? by Late Richard John Neuhaus

November 24, 2009

[Elsie]

Notice God invited the people, “BOTH GOOD AND BAD” to the wedding.

Sorry; but Jesus said there are NO 'good' people.

Their 'goodness' is as filthy rags to GOD.

I have no 'goodness', you have none and the rest of Humanity has none.

"Madam, what you say is true - you HAVE no husband. Go; and sin no more."

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And if you insist on being literal...

Did I?

I 'literally' want you to name names of those 'in this thread' that you have judged as being so unkind to folks.

[Elsie]

You keep this mean attitude up and even I won't be baptized for you when you die!

--MormonDude(Actually, I would, but you catch my drift.)

[Elsie]

They weren't voting for McCain, they were voting for Palin. ...while hoping (like it was implied during the campaign) that McCain would NOT finish his term in office.

[Elsie]

Let’s try a test: Are Catholics Christian? Yes or no.

What do YOU believe about them?

ARE they a cult?

(Gee - this little game is FUN!)

[Elsie]

So you might as well take your RINO loving ass somewhere else and quit insulting our Freepers!

Ah, come on Jim. It's folks like Ol' Buck that allows us to get tougher skin!

[Elsie]

—”Whosoever confesseth that Joseph Smith was sent of God . . . that spirit is of God; and every spirit that does not confess that God has sent Joseph Smith, and revealed the everlasting Gospel to and through him, is of Anti-christ . . .
---(Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 176 ).

(Your FONT SIZE thingy must have failed...)

[Elsie]

Again, no direct answer to the question from you.

So; it's DIRECT you want; eh?

[Elsie]

6. Men get to be polygamous in heaven.

And WOMEN get to bear ALL them kids!

(It's right there in them 'scriptures' - D&D 132:63)

[Elsie]

And I apologize for dissing your hero, Mr. Tilton.

I think I'm beginning to see one of those UNNAMED persons in this thread...

[Elsie]

Speaking of not directly answering questions, you totally evaded several from me, ansel, and others, like Elsie and JR.

You mere FREEPERS just don't GET it; do you?

I am the One who ASKS the questions: YOU slugs get to ANSWER them!

[Elsie]

My hero? Please provide a link to back up your assumption about who I think highly of.

Watch out!

Pull away from the TarBaby; NOW!

[Elsie]

...apparently you prefer Obama to a potential GOP nominee.

HUH?

[Elsie]

 

I used to have access to that video of that Mormon professor teaching his Mormon class how to deceive potential victims, he explained that you do not let them see the truth of Mormonism at first, that instead you feed them milk before you let them learn the meat.

 

 

You STILL do; Brother!

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Elsie]

That was also the interview where I learned about Missouri and the second coming of Christ.

Why; it's right there in the LDS Organization®s writings! #10

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

[Elsie]

I can see the marquee now...

Men who stare at FREEPERS

Starring Buck W.

[Elsie]

kuumbyyah

[Elsie]

I can do one better than the video. I had that guy as a Prof. at BYU. I heard the same stuff, LIVE.

I tried to see him in person at Wabash College, Crawforsville, IN a few weeks ago.

He never showed...

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http://www.wabash.edu/news/displaystory.cfm?news_ID=7431&CFID=144309058&CFTOKEN=a7099dec8361a07c-357A3B9F-A8DD-1045-7F2ADF9404BB71B2&jsessionid=1a303f6f34cb$A6$5D$B

[Mojave]

[Melian]

And how do you reconcile your view with the example of Christ who ate with sinners, consorted with known prostitutes, and invited reviled tax collectors to be part of His closest friends?

Notice in your passage that it says one must ABIDE in the doctrine of Christ. That implies actively living out the Gospel daily in your life.

I think all my comments on this thread can be boiled down to this: Actions speak louder than words.

We can rebuke (reprove sharply) when absolutely necessary, we can admonish (express warning or disapproval, especially in a gentle, earnest, or solicitous manner), or we can condemn.

Due to the sheer number of Scripture quotes I can find about loving our neighbor and treating him with dignity and respect, and those about avoiding the temptation to feel we are better than others, I feel that indicates Christ would rather we admonish.

[Melian]

“I ‘literally’ want you to name names of those ‘in this thread’ that you have judged as being so unkind to folks.”

I think the people on this thread who are using poor technique to evangelize for Christ probably know who they are. They can read my opinions for themselves and decide what may apply to them. It’s not my style to browbeat people.

Christ invites the good and the bad to the wedding with open arms. We are each responsible to be the type of guest Christ asked us to be, and to behave appropriately. The only type of sinner Christ treated to harsh words was the hypocrite. It seems He really couldn’t abide them. Therefore, I think it is a wise course of action to watch ourselves very closely, examine our motivations and behaviours, and refrain from casting stones at others. Christ pulled others to Him with Truth and Love, not invective.

I agree with you that we are all flawed and, for that reason, none of us should hold ourselves up as the judge of anyone else. Only God can judge a soul.