Posted on 11/24/2009 1:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish
Why, I'm still waiting for the allegorical interpretation of what the basin's dimensions stood for? Or did the basin even exist at all. . . . .
Or from what precise locations the measurements were made at. . .
Or proof that the basin was a perfect circle. . . .
Or why you insist that 3.14 is the correct answer for pi. . . . .
Or are your handlers afraid to allow you to answer these questions you have avoided throughout this thread.
We’re told what the dimensions of the circular basin were. We conclude that they cannot be correct without further interpretation, ergo scripture is not literally inerrant.
You’ve been following this discussion, haven’t you?
resty’s assertion:
John 10
33. The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35. If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36. Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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There are many reasons this text should not be used to support such an idea.
First, such an interpretation is contrary to the overall context. Jesus in this passage is not speaking to pantheists (who believe that God is everything and everything is God) or polytheists (who believe in many gods). Rather, He is addressing strict Jewish monotheists who believe that only the Creator of the universe is God. So, His statement should not be wrenched out of this monotheistic context and given a pantheistic or polytheistic twist.
Second, in context Jesus is alluding to Psalm 82 where human judges are called “gods,” and His reasoning communicates the following idea: “If God even called human judges ‘gods’ (with a small ‘g’), then how much more is it appropriate that I call myself the Son of God.” Keep in mind that Christ had just pronounced Himself one with the Father saying, “I and My Father are one” (10:30). The Jews wanted to stone Him because they thought Christ was blaspheming, making Himself out to be equal with God (vv. 3133). Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:6 (a verse dealing with human judges) which says, “I said, you are gods.” So, Jesus reasoned, if human judges could be called “gods” (with a small ‘g’), then why can’t the Son of God be called “God.”
Third, these judges were “gods” in the sense that they stood in God place, judging over life and death matters. They were not called “gods” because they were actually divine beings. Indeed, the text Jesus cites (Ps. 82) also goes on to say that these judges were “mere men” and would “die” (v. 7).
Fourth, it is possible, as many scholars believe, that when the psalmist Asaph said “You are gods” of the unjust judges in Psalm 82, he was speaking in irony. He indicated to these judges (who had apparently become unjust in their dealings with men), “I have called you ‘gods,’ but in fact you will die like the men that you really are.” If this is so, then when Jesus alluded to this psalm in John 10, He was saying that what the Israelite judges were called in irony and in judgment, He is in reality.
In any event, it is clear that Jesus in this passage was giving a defense for His own deity, not for the deification of man.
http://www.ronrhodes.org/qmanbecomegod.html
An extension of the SATANic lie in Genesis 3
I would now like to leave a disclaimer for others who may be reading this thread (actually, I have received a number of private messages indicating that this thread is being watched elsewhere, and I wouldn’t want them to get the wrong impression):
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ROFL. In case you mean to imply “big brother” is watching...
HEY BIG BROTHER! COME AND GET ME! HERE I AM! ARREST ME FOR THINKING THE BIBLE IS INERRANT!
and for good measure:
HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG, ABNORMAL AND AN ABOMINATION IN THE SIGHT OF GOD!
(uh oh, I think I hear a knock at the door)
Not to worry. People are only reading and discussing this thread for entertainment value.
No; GET a JST and one may see that GOD did NOT have JS change the One Wife thingy in the NT.
I therefore should be OBVIOUS to ANYONE with half a brain that POLYGAMY was NOT something that GOD 'ordered' JS or any of the others to do.
We will make an exception for Restornu.
Buck; you have made a mistake - you stated that the BIBLE said "PI = 3".
Come back here Buck.
What part of the bible states that PI equals three; like YOU claimed it did?
Worth a re-post:
To: Buck W.
I would now like to leave a disclaimer for others who may be reading this thread (actually, I have received a number of private messages indicating that this thread is being watched elsewhere, and I wouldn’t want them to get the wrong impression):
Translation:
Mom has been looking over my shoulder and is now threatening to shut off my Internet because I have been such a little Jack Ass.
Don’t worry Buckie, we understand your post is all allegory...
1,008 posted on Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:16:08 PM by ejonesie22
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Well, if you don't mind being laughed at, that's your business.
If I were you, I'd be cautious about the sincerity of any you associate with who think it's funny to throw you under the bus.
It's really not respectable to laugh at the short bus people....
I only got 13 but a goodly share of raccoons!
and some skunks,
no porkies,
grounghogs - a few,
squirrels galore,
chipmunks: ditto,
and deer that wander through our yard and the fields around us.
No, Buck; you are wrong.
YOU did the concluding and projected it to others.
For example I think historians would be shocked to learn Julius Cesar was a fictional Character.
I would also like to see how the Crucifixion of Christ is “allegorical”...
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Historian (Ancient and Medieval) weighing in here:
There is more historical (outside of Scripture) evidence for the Life and Crucifixion of Jesus Christ than there is for the existence of Julius Caesar.
Of course they may only be allegorical...
Sorry Buck; but you are wrong again.
But you know that and just want to egg folks on.
It will be a timeout for you shortly and you'll get to get replies from like minded folks as yourself; for we Christians who post pointing out the errors of MORMONism are just about to put you on virtual SHUN.
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