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Abraham Lincoln letter goes up for sale
Guardian ^ | 18 Nov 2009 | Ed Pilkington i

Posted on 11/19/2009 7:51:44 AM PST by BGHater

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1 posted on 11/19/2009 7:51:44 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater

It’s the little kindnesses that often tell the measure of a man.


2 posted on 11/19/2009 8:00:01 AM PST by 1776 Reborn (Test kids and politicians (bigger idiots) on the Constitution!)
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To: BGHater

Signed: Abe Lincoln, The Illinois Butcher, Republic Killer and founder of the all powerfull Federal Animal.


3 posted on 11/19/2009 8:08:25 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15tcherthvirginia.org/)
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To: central_va

but but but he freed the slaves and that’s all the civil war was about (/sarc)


4 posted on 11/19/2009 8:11:31 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: central_va

You’re still here? I’d have thought you would have seceded by now.


5 posted on 11/19/2009 8:14:32 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va

...Whoa! Much anger I sense in this young apprentice.


6 posted on 11/19/2009 8:22:01 AM PST by clippedwing
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To: Non-Sequitur

My state is going red, go figure. I have already seceded, in spirit. Actually, the US left me, not the otherway around...


7 posted on 11/19/2009 8:25:32 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15tcherthvirginia.org/)
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To: clippedwing

Not anger, just posting reality of the man, from a different angle. One man’s dictator is another man’s hero.


8 posted on 11/19/2009 8:29:51 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15tcherthvirginia.org/)
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To: central_va
Actually, the US left me, not the otherway around...

And yet here you are.

9 posted on 11/19/2009 8:31:50 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: central_va

Do your feet ever touch the ground?


10 posted on 11/19/2009 8:32:32 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va
Not anger, just posting reality of the man, from a different angle.

Speaking of reality from a different angle, how do you suppose R. Lee or J. Davis would have answered a petition made by 195 children asking to ensure the freedom of "all the slave children in this country"? Would the answer be just plain "no" or would it have been "hell, no"?

11 posted on 11/19/2009 8:35:07 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To Whom It May Concern,

I did talk to Rep. Jim Cooper (TN) in person about the destructive aspect of illegal immigration. He replied that he understood my concerns. Then, he did absolutely nothing about it. All of this is because his mom in TN is owner of a number of low-rent housing units from his hometown and makes a lot of money renting to that clientele. So, who cares?

12 posted on 11/19/2009 8:36:08 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rockrr
Do your feet ever touch the ground?

Do you ever stop guzzling kool-aid?

13 posted on 11/19/2009 8:39:46 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: central_va

So the answer is no?


14 posted on 11/19/2009 8:41:26 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Non-Sequitur
In the letter, dated 5 April 1864, he wrote: "Please tell these little people I am very glad their young hearts are so full of just and generous sympathy, and that while I have not the power to grant all they ask, I trust that they will remember that God has, and that, as it seems, He wills to do it."

or

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that"

Clearly, a political snake....

15 posted on 11/19/2009 8:43:37 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: rockrr

Let no man who watches current events with a eye for “Unionism” at all costs, declare my head is in the clouds.


16 posted on 11/19/2009 8:46:49 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: central_va

Especially when your head appears to be firmly lodged elsewhere...


17 posted on 11/19/2009 8:51:55 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va
Clearly, a political snake....

No, one who was aware of the limitations of the president's powers. He closed out the Greeley letter by saying, "I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free."

And two and a half years after Lincoln was saying that, Lee was still saying, "Considering the relation of master and slave, controlled by humane laws and influenced by Christianity and an enlightened public sentiment, as the best that can exist between the white and black races while intermingled as at present in this country, I would deprecate any sudden disturbance of that relation unless it be necessary to avert a greater calamity to both." When you get right down to it, both men were consistent on their views towards slavery.

18 posted on 11/19/2009 8:53:02 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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Robert E. Lee did not own slaves, but many Union generals did. When his father-in-law died, Lee took over the management of the plantation his wife had inherited and immediately began freeing the slaves. By the time Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, every slave in Lee’s charge had been freed. Notably, some Union generals didn’t free their slaves until the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868


19 posted on 11/19/2009 8:59:29 AM PST by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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Robert E. Lee did not own slaves, but many Union generals did.

Name some.

When his father-in-law died, Lee took over the management of the plantation his wife had inherited and immediately began freeing the slaves.

Incorrect. Check out Freeman's biography.

By the time Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863, every slave in Lee’s charge had been freed.

Because George Custis' will mandated that all slaves be freed within 5 years of his death. He died in October 1857. Legally all the slaves should have been freed by October 10, 1862 but Lee did not manumit them until late December 1862. However, since he was so deeply engaged in rebelling at the time then the delay is understandable.

Notably, some Union generals didn’t free their slaves until the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868.

Name one.

20 posted on 11/19/2009 9:12:05 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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