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To: fireman15
NOT a "specialty gun." I have come very close to buying one myself. It is a newer firearm and the very things that made it attractive to me as an American exercising my right to keep and bear arms made it attractive to him.

The gun is not the evil here, the man is. Jeeez Louise! this place is sounding like DU suddenly.
48 posted on 11/06/2009 12:58:21 PM PST by Sudetenland (Slow to anger but terrible in vengence...such is the character of the American people.)
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To: Sudetenland
“NOT a “specialty gun.”” I am not quite sure why my statement caused you frustration. I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone. I may have chosen the wrong words. I have a Tokarev pistol that fires an 85gr .30 cal bullet at around 1700fps, the way that I put together my cartridges. The Russians basically copied and simplified Brownings .45 auto design but chose to go with a smaller but faster projectile. This is a much different approach than what the US Army went with. I have had lively discussions on other forums about the Tokarev’s stopping power.

The Tokarev has approximately 560J of energy at the muzzle compared with the .45 auto's 702J but the bullet is traveling at approximately 1700fps as opposed to around a 1080fps for the .45. It doesn't make as big a hole, but the Tokarev has some serious penetration. I have read the bullet will go through a Kevlar vest and still penetrate 12” of ballistic gel.

My main point here is that the guy probably carefully chose his weapon. They are pretty expensive, the ammo almost always would have to be special ordered, and the gun is not all that common or a very popular choice. There is a good chance that the research was as simple finding out which pistol has the highest capacity magazines and will penetrate body armor. He may also have taken into consideration that the projectile would penetrate two or three people when shot into a crowd. If he just had “lost it” like the media has been trying to say; I think it is much more likely that he would have chosen a more common caliber. Going against conventional wisdom on his choice of weapon indicates to me that he chose his tool carefully. I am not sure why that assumption irritates you. I do a lot of research on all of the tools that I own as well.

112 posted on 11/06/2009 4:17:20 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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