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Physicists Calculate Number of Parallel Universes
PhysOrg ^ | 10/16/09 | Lisa Zyga

Posted on 10/18/2009 4:06:14 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: deaconjim
"Forgive me for asking, but if the “universe” consists of all matter, energy, and space that exist, how can there be a “parallel universe”? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say they believe there are parts of the universe that have not yet been discovered?"

I think they mean the observable universe. I am no physicist and I only have a slight interest in quantum mechanics but I think the concept is roughly like this:

1. For every outcome in a closed system that is based on some chance quantum level event, the state of that outcome is fluid until observed.
2. It is the act of observing the outcome that places the human observer in one universe or the other.

In other words some event occurs on an infinitesimally small level that can cause two possible observable outcomes. Let's call them outcome A and B. In the writer's belief system the universe splits at this point into two identical observable universes except one contains outcome A and the other outcome B. The human observer is thrown by chance into either one universe or the other. Let's say he finds himself in the outcome A observable universe. At this point the human is completely cut off from contact with the other observable universe where presumably his identical twin lives with outcome B.

Wild stuff.

21 posted on 10/18/2009 5:37:50 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: stevem

[What kind of experiments do they use to test this theory?]

Obama is funding 10^googleplex “shovel ready” science experiments to find out right now!


22 posted on 10/18/2009 5:46:20 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Oratam
Sometimes when crossing a completely deserted street, I think I might get creamed by a car barreling down it in a parallel universe.

I know for a fact this has happened, but the driver wasn't "barreling down," he was . . . parallel parking.
23 posted on 10/18/2009 5:48:35 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: AUH2O Repub

Great post - too funny!


24 posted on 10/18/2009 5:51:31 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Upstate NY Guy

All this quantum stuff is fun to ridicule, but the weird part is that to the extent we’re able to test the hypotheses they turn out to be correct. A very great deal of our present technology, notably electronics, is based on it.

Sure quantum mechanics violates common sense, but this may be more an example of the limitations of common sense than of quantum mechanics. Of course, there are multiple competing and mutually contradictory versions of QM.

The more we learn about it, the more the universe, or possibly the multiverse, appears to be a very strange place.


25 posted on 10/18/2009 6:00:22 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"This is what happens when you do science by calculation instead of science by observation."

In physics, at least, we are more that 100 years beyond the point where we are dealing exclusively with the observable. Much of atomic theory had to be worked out without direct observation of the atom.

Observation is nice when you can get it but some things are just not observable.

26 posted on 10/18/2009 6:04:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Buck Ofama!!)
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To: FastCoyote

What is truly mind-bending is that Obamacare will not work in any of the parallel universes.


27 posted on 10/18/2009 6:05:06 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Tallguy

I have been to every one of these Universes and in 99.999% of them Jimah Carter is still a loser. In the other .0001 Conservative Jimmy beat liberal Reagan for a second term- go figure!


28 posted on 10/18/2009 6:13:49 AM PDT by AUH2O Repub ( SPalin/Hunter 2012)
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To: AUH2O Repub

It is my theory that there is only one universe...this one. Unfortunately Obama and his minions figure in this one and wee must vote them out.


29 posted on 10/18/2009 6:20:41 AM PDT by hal ogen
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To: LibWhacker

bookmark


30 posted on 10/18/2009 6:27:44 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a Communist to your Administration?)
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To: LibWhacker

....In this kind of scenario, the state of the multiverse and observations made by an observer are correlated (similar to the Schrodinger cat experiment, where the outcome can be determined only after it is registered by a classical observer).

“When we analyze the probability of the existence of a universe of a given type, we should be talking about a consistent pair: the universe and an observer who makes the rest of the universe ‘alive’ and the wave function of the rest of the universe time-dependent,” the scientists write.

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This is essentially a rationale for solipsistic narcissism.

Thank God for empiricism!


31 posted on 10/18/2009 6:30:02 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: ntmxx

I must say, I like this idea of a Clown Universe. In it, maybe nothing could travel faster than the speed of a cream pie.


32 posted on 10/18/2009 6:35:02 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Sherman Logan
I do not mean to ridicule it at all. I have some real interest in it. I understand quantum mechanics is based on real, solid observable science. It is truly amazing to me. I do not quite know what to think of it. But it is apparent the universe at a quantum level is a very bizarre place.

When I first heard about quantum mechanics in a college physics class I couldn't believe it. I had to check it out further. I have continued to do so over the years.

The data leading to the theory of quantum mechanics is so strong and the implications are so huge you would think this would be all that today's philosophers and theologians would be talking about. The fact that they don't is very disappointing to me.

The fact that physicists are willing to consider truly bizarre theories to explain the data is very encouraging to me. I am all for the quest for truth.

Sorry if my comments sounded like I was mocking. I guess I mostly find is humorous that man is faced to ponder these bizarre conclusions.

33 posted on 10/18/2009 6:36:32 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: aruanan
Think of reality as a whole as a colon with diverticulitis. The parallel universes are the diverticula.

I think you are full of crap;)

/humor mode

34 posted on 10/18/2009 7:05:55 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Sorry, didn’t mean to imply I thought YOU were ridiculing QM.

My comment was just that the theories, on their face, are indeed ridiculous.

But I guess there is no reason why the universe God created must line up with what seems logical to our feeble minds.


35 posted on 10/18/2009 7:14:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: aruanan

Pinto:
Okay.
That means that...
our whole solar system...
could be, like...
one tiny atom in the fingernail
of some other giant being.

This is too much!

-one tiny atom in my fingernail could be—
-Could be one little...

Professor Jennings:
tiny universe.

Pinto:
Could l buy some pot from you?


36 posted on 10/18/2009 7:25:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: LibWhacker
..the idea that our universe could be one of many alternate universes within a giant multiverse has grown from a sci-fi fantasy into a legitimate theoretical possibility.

Theoretical? I say if a 'consensus' of scientists believe this, then we must all accept it. Why wait for a UN resolution?

37 posted on 10/18/2009 7:31:31 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: LibWhacker
These parallel-universe people--aren't they the same ones who say God can't exist because they can't detect Him with their 5 senses? Well, they've got NO physical evidence for a multiverse. NONE.

All they've got is:

FAITH.

How ironic. Humans have an inbuilt need to believe in someone or something higher than themselves. Take away the proper object of that faith, and you get all kinds of craziness.

38 posted on 10/18/2009 7:58:42 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Proud to be an American, where I least I know I'm free!)
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To: AUH2O Repub; Ultra Sonic 007
I totally agree with President Palin’s decision today to ship off the last of the liberals to the detention colonies in Iran and Iraq. What? Oh, I’m sorry, guess I got shoved into the wrong Universe for a while.

Darn. Now that you've collapsed THAT wave function, it will never happen!

39 posted on 10/18/2009 8:02:43 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
"Forgive me for asking, but if the “universe” consists of all matter, energy, and space that exist, how can there be a “parallel universe”? Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say they believe there are parts of the universe that have not yet been discovered?" I think they mean the observable universe. I am no physicist and I only have a slight interest in quantum mechanics but I think the concept is roughly like this: 1. For every outcome in a closed system that is based on some chance quantum level event, the state of that outcome is fluid until observed. 2. It is the act of observing the outcome that places the human observer in one universe or the other. In other words some event occurs on an infinitesimally small level that can cause two possible observable outcomes. Let's call them outcome A and B. In the writer's belief system the universe splits at this point into two identical observable universes except one contains outcome A and the other outcome B. The human observer is thrown by chance into either one universe or the other. Let's say he finds himself in the outcome A observable universe. At this point the human is completely cut off from contact with the other observable universe where presumably his identical twin lives with outcome B. Wild stuff.

I think this is a little different. I have never seen someone try to calculate the number of probable outcomes as a fixed value created at a fixed point in the past. I always read that the each observation by each observer in the set of all observers would fork a new branch. Therefore, it would have to be infinite.

40 posted on 10/18/2009 8:07:41 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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