[Rookie Cookie]

Berbers are Indo-MiddleEasterns who moved to North Africa not North America. Their movement happened only a few thousand years ago not 17,000. Your fact are totally off the wall. Beside you are only muddying the water with unrelated topics.

My point was the genetic evidence run contrary to the “invasion” theory. It totally lacks all the tell tell signatures of an “invasion”. Invaders usually stamp out the native genetic lineage and language, both of which survives in the northern Indian mainland.

[muawiyah]

You didn't read what I said. The Europeans in the European Refugia located in roughly the French/Spanish border region, was where the overwhelming majority of today's Western and Northern European's ancestors lived during the ice age ~ from roughly 35,000 years ago to the big breakout that started with the warmup to the meltdown (14,000 years or later).

Earlier, some folks left the refugia and went East and North to become the Sa'ami in Far Northern Europe. They are decidedly "white" and speak 11 distinctly NON INDO EUROPEAN languages.

This same crowd also had some who went South to North Africa ~ their peculiar marker genes appear among the Berber but not other North Africans. They were in North Africa at least 14,000 years ago for this to have happened.

American Indians in North America ALSO show the same peculiar marker genes and analysts suggest the first Sa'ami in North America had to have arrived about 17,000 years ago. There's archeological evidence for this in fact.

Your point carried with it erroneous and extraneous material ~ to wit, a claim that Indo-Europeans invaded North America and exterminated the natives ~ something we now know to be totally untrue.

Folks up on the research always know what's not true.

Regarding Indo-European invaders, that's been going on both ways for thousands of years ~ first one way, then another ~ but they were NOT native to Europe in any period 5,000 years or so earlier.

Ergo, "white people in Europe" were there earlier. In my experience your hardcore, closest to the original type Indo-Europeans are all doggone near black after a summer in the Sun. That didn't mean they couldn't pass on their language much as English is being passed on, and for the same reasons ~ in America today if you don't speak English you are doomed to a life of poverty and backwardness. Same with China. You want to get ahead, you learn English. And in AFrica? You learn English.

Ice Age people were not different from us in that regard. Each new advance came with a vocabulary and a way of talking about it that had to be learned to improve one's life.

Regarding genetic evidence running contrary to the "invasion" theory, it definitely indicates that the blood-lines undergirding the early Indo-Persian genetic identity were already present in India from the foundations ~ and that'd be back there 50,000 or more years ago.

The "other" non-Indo-Persian genetic identity was also present from the foundations, but where?

The last 10,000 years or so have resulted in a melding of the two lines ~ but with clusters of each so that we can tell they originallye existed.

This, by the way, is consistent with the way genes move ~ as quanta. They don't get "blended" ~ their counts get changed.