Posted on 08/26/2009 12:40:24 PM PDT by kellynla
So I’ll say it again — a natural born citizen is born in the nation where the parents are BOTH citizens. And where is that defined?
SR511
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A Senate resolution is not, in any way, shape, or form, a law. Citizen at birth cannot possibly mean “alien,” right? So a child who U.S. law declares to be — at birth — a U.S. citizen must be a natural born one, that is, from the moment of birth (citizen AT birth), that child is a U.S. citizen.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html
“One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.”
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No act of law “made” me a citizen — from the moment of my birth I *was* a citizen. That is not the same thing as an act of law that “makes” an alien into a citizen, and that is what that phrase means. It means that if one is not BORN a citizen, one cannot ever be a “natural born citizen.” It’s plain English, really. Drop “natural” if you want to, and see the words “born” and “citizen.” If you are “born” a citizen, in other words, a “citizen at birth,” then you are by definition a “born citizen” or “natural born citizen.” See http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html.
If Obama was born in Hawaii, he was a citizen at birth (a NBC). See http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html.
“Their parents are not citizens of the USA and they are, therefore, NOT ‘natural born citizens.’”
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The above is nowhere in U.S. law. It’s a myth. Citizenship of the parents only matters if a child is born OUTSIDE the United States. See http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html.
No. Absolutely not.
A native born citizen is one who is born in the United States.
A natural born citizen is one born in the United States to parents who are citizens of the United States
It’s really rather simple.
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You have no law whatsoever and no SCOTUS decision to back up this myth. See http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html.
“So then the 98 U S Senators who signed Senate Resolution 511 were crazy and insane????”
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No. They were talking about a person who was born OUTSIDE of the United States. That’s the only time citizenship of the parents matters.
“Please cite any clause in COTUS, statute law, case law, Madison’s notes from the ConCon, the COTUS ratification debates, any law dictionary, any common textbook on Con Law, or any common English dictionary to support the opinion that NBC = born in U.S. of two citizen parents.”
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They can’t, and when you or I or anyone else tells them that, they pretend they cannot hear. They cannot face the reality that there is absolutely no basis for the myth they have believed all their lives. They are applying the rule that applies only to people born outside of the United States to people born inside the United States. They are holding on to the mythical idea they have in the face of incontrovertible evidence. And since they cannot refute the evidence, they just pretend they don’t hear it.
There is nothing in U.S. law that says that dual citizenship has ANY EFFECT at all on one’s U.S. citizenship.
WRONG --
McCain was born in Panama which was a US territory at the time and not outside the US and SR511 stated that succinctly.
So, I ask again, just where is Hussein's SR511???
In Minor v. Happersett, 88 (Wall.) U.S. 162 (1874) the Supreme Court ruled that the phrase ‘natural born citizen’ as used in Art II, Sec 1, Clause 5 as a requirement to be eligible to be president is a status that is not in doubt if both of the person’s parents are US citizens, but that if one of the parents is not a US citizen, then that status in doubt.
“Please provide us stupid FReepers your proof he isn’t a foreigner.”
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All anybody has is the word of the State of Hawaii. If you think Hawaii would lie, then you might have doubts about his place of birth. If you think it unlikely that Hawaii would lie, then you would not have such doubts.
Well you see, first there was immaculate conception, then there was virgin birth, followed by baptism in Communist waters by Frank Marshall Davis, anointed by Bill Ayers, Harvard, Columbia, and University of Chicago radicals in the ways of Saul Alinsky, raised in the teachings of the Church of Reverend Wright, confirmed by Father Michael Pfleger, funded by George Soros, Tony Rezko and Chicago mob politicians, spent time in the wilderness of ACORN community organizers (agitators), was foisted on America by the Main Stream Media, and accepted by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid as their personal Savior. And as long as the media looks in another direction the One and his friends will destroy America.
“In Minor v. Happersett, 88 (Wall.) U.S. 162 (1874) the Supreme Court ruled that the phrase ‘natural born citizen’ as used in Art II, Sec 1, Clause 5 as a requirement to be eligible to be president is a status that is not in doubt if both of the person’s parents are US citizens, but that if one of the parents is not a US citizen, then that status in doubt.”
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See http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/ken-dunbar-and-minor-v-happersett-punkd/:
“The doubts were finally settled in Wong Kim Ark and to suggest that Happersett settled the issue as to who is Natural Born ignores the actual text of the ruling.”
WHERE'S OBAMA's SR511???
Yeah, that'll be money well spent.
You Birthers are a real hoot! No wonder Obama doesn't volunteer his long form BC. He doesn't want you guys going anywhere!
“McCain was born in Panama which was a US territory at the time and not outside the US and SR511 stated that succinctly.”
He could have been born in France and he’d be a natural born citizen.
“So, I ask again, just where is Hussein’s SR511???”
Nobody in Congress seems to have a question about his eligibility, possibly because they think it unlikely the State of Hawaii is participating in a scam.
I think that says it all -- thank you.
So you think someone who is a “citizen at birth” is an alien? You know that makes no sense. How can you defend such an irrational and ludicrous position?
Ask any U.S. ex-pat who married a European and lives in France today whether her children, born in Paris, are natural born U.S. citizens or not. Do it. They are.
Ask any U.S. citizen born in the U.S. of non-citizen parents if they are natural born citizens. They are.
Call the State Department yourself. Ask them.
Yep! And guess what? My childern are Natural Born Citizens.
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