Posted on 08/05/2009 7:57:45 PM PDT by Chode
LOL- again; $30 million/annually for one racing event versus three stadiums/arena which do a lot more than just host football, basketball and baseball...
is that light rail system going to be torn down or shut down after the Super Bowl? or will it be used for commuters and/or people getting to/from events at the stadiums, 12 months a year?
because the $30 million is arrive on Thursday then leave Sunday afternoon...
btw- you keep arguing expenditures for facilities which are used year round..i’m talking about a one time payment of $25mill- $30mill which ends up in bernie eccelstone’s pocket for a three day event- not even close...
This is a curious way to word that. Since the venue only opened in 2012, the most accurate way to word the attendance trend is that, since its opening, COTA has always seen decreasing attendance. It's not a gigantic difference, but the original wording makes it seem there was a period that saw increasing attendance.
I wanted to go to COTA last year.
The cheapest ticket was over $400.
Add a flight from LA, two or three nights in an overpriced hotel room plus meals and souvenirs and you’re talking $2,000 plus easily.
I realize Bernie has a big monthly nut, but he is pricing F1 out of the market.
Get rid of KERS!
1.5 L turbo, 3-3.5 L normally aspirated, as many cylinders as you want and no fuel restrictions.
i spent the same amount on the Indy 500, got a pre race pit/track pass and saw a great race...
Interesting news here:
http://lotusf1team.com/news-archive/renault-announces-return-to-formula-1-in-2016/
thanks to jps098... also the whole Paul Newman movie is at post#2086
Very nice...thanks!
DON’T CLICK ON LINK I 2086! THERE’s A REIMAGE BUG/VIRUS AT THAT LINK!
what flagged it?
Perhaps the mods could remove the link (or the whole post).
I’ll report an “abuse” and we’ll see what happens.
Mea culpa, my FRiend.
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friends and friends of friends also have used it with nothing flagging it so i am more than a little confused as to what did...
use the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugx2AdLfoIs
I learned new things, what a racer!
Max Verstappen’s F1 car takes on Austria’s Kitzbuhel ski slopes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_D-rT0vYV8
Formula 1 bosses have agreed to reduce the cost of engines for customer teams.
Two days of talks have resulted in a deal to cut prices as well as ensure the whole grid is supplied, sources at governing body the FIA said.
In return for lower prices, it was agreed F1 would stick with the existing V6 turbo hybrid engines until at least 2020.
Details are still being finalised, with the intention for the new regulations to come into force in 2018.
Four engine manufactures - Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda - supply the power units for the 11 teams on the grid.
In a further measure to help reduce costs, it has been agreed that drivers will be limited to three gearboxes per season - down from the current limit of five.
The lower price at which engines will be sold in the future has not been made public at this stage.
The FIA was aiming at a figure in the region of £7.9m to £9.5m, down from the current cost of around £13.8m to £17.7m, and it is believed this target has been reached.
The agreement also brings an end to the threat of the introduction of a cheaper alternative engine, sources say.
This was rejected by teams last autumn after being proposed by F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone and FIA president Jean Todt following a failure to agree a cap on the cost of customer engines.
However, the possibility of Todt and Ecclestone enforcing a change remained - at least in theory - after the FIA voted last month to give them power to make necessary changes to keep costs under control.
Insiders say this was in reality an empty threat as teams would have taken legal action had anything been introducing outside the agreed rule-making protocol, which is written into the teams’ contracts.
The push for an alternative engine followed the crisis Red Bull found itself in last season.
The team’s factory relationship with Renault came to an end in 2015 amid acrimony on both sides and they were unable to secure a supply from rivals Mercedes, Ferrari and Honda.
Red Bull have a stop-gap solution for 2016, using a Renault engine badged with the name of a sponsor to de-emphasise the partnership in a year that sees the French car manufacturer return as a team owner in its own right after buying Lotus.
But Red Bull’s deal is only for one year, and the former champions still have to secure an engine supply for 2017.
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Formula 1 chiefs are to again discuss the potential return of refuelling.
The idea was proposed then dismissed last year, but could be introduced as early as 2017 if it receives support in Monday’s F1 strategy group meeting.
Key figures in F1 are keen to find ways of making the sport more exciting.
The strategy group - made up of F1 commercial boss Bernie Ecclestone, FIA president Jean Todt and the six leading teams - will also discuss rule changes for engines and chassis.
Jean Todt, president of F1 governing body FIA said: “We (will) re-address (the subject of) is it right not to have refuelling?”
Refuelling was banned at the end of 2009 on cost and safety grounds.
Teams conducted an extensive investigation last season into the effects of a return of refuelling and concluded it would have a negative effect on the sport’s spectacle.
They looked at data that showed the 1994 to 2009 period - when refuelling was part of F1 - had the fewest number of on-track overtaking manoeuvres since 1980.
However, as the sport wrestles with ways of arresting what is perceived to be a decline in appeal, the idea has been floated again.
Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne has long been a fan of refuelling, as has Ecclestone, who was unavailable for comment.
One senior insider said: “Anything that could produce unpredictability is good. The racing couldn’t be any more boring than it is sometimes. Everything is too clinical.
“The teams are so clever that we end up with races that are entirely predictable from the outset.”
However, another leading figure said: “It’s just another boomerang. Many things are canned and then reappear on the agenda. I wouldn’t read too much into it. It’s nonsense.”
The FIA and teams are already in the process of trying to finalise a new set of rules for 2017 to make cars faster and more dramatic looking.
However, these have hit a hitch after tyre supplier Pirelli told the teams it would need to run its tyres with much higher pressures if aerodynamic downforce was increased as much as was being planned, which would mean diminishing returns from the increase in car performance.
This has led the FIA to water down its plans to speed up the cars.
Research is currently being undertaken on a revised set of plans that:
drops changes to the bodywork and underfloor;
retains new-shape front and rear wings;
increases the track - the width between the wheels - so cars are 2000mm wide rather than 1800mm.
The strategy group will also discuss proposals from engine manufacturers, who were charged by Todt and Ecclestone with making power-units cheaper, more simple, more noisy and more available.
The target was to reduce the price of an engine for a customer team to â¬10m (£7.9m) from the current level of â¬18-23m.
Formula One cars could be up to 25 percent noisier this season, said Williams technical head Pat Symonds.
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