Posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by MissTickly
"Dear Orly:
PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.
THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:
This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President's VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).
This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that significant privacy information per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.
The significant privacy information per Obamas Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity
Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered significant privacy information per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.
These provisions in context of Fukinos TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)
UIPA STATUTE Part II: To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.
DEAR ALL FREEPERS:
Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she's not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She's a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn't tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure--she KNOWS THIS.
Think about it--where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far--in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?
WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:
On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the Presidents vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the birther question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:
In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:
Ms. Okubo
Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008): Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obamas original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:
Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has President Barack Obamas AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures? Please reply with her answer.
You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificates existence or have tangible interest in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.
But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the natural born citizen stuff people have been talking about all week:
I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.
I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.
Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being natural born and born in Hawaii to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.
But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:
original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures...
BECAME original vital records [plural] maintained on file
This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE: As Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has President Barack Obamas AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. But I got this in return: The director has nothing further to add to her statements.
I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.
ANYWAY: Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request--not just Hawaiians. So using the question Id already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.
Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didnt have the stomach for it.
Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMAS VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with todays follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if thats the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.
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None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii's Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.
I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.
Thanks for listening with an open ear!
She could have stayed. She chose. The Mod just filled in info.
I like that post.
Thanks
LOL!!
I forgive..but never ever forget. Remember that. Most members of Free Republic recognize your TRUE motives. Change your predictable forms of diversion! They are truly STALE!
You’re welcome.
You said — Miss TIckly posted to me yesterday and discussed conversations with Ann Coulter, Dick Cheney and George Bush.
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Ummm..., I think that was me... :-)
Heres a post I did to Jim Robinson, too, about it (on a thread he put up about some DU posters wanting to infiltrate Free Republic...
FR under attack again by leftist punk trolls
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2305807/posts
Well.., heck! The trouble is, that with a lot of others coming from other Democrat/liberal sites, its got people jumping all over other FReepers, too, because some dont like the opinions other Freepers have (when it conflicts with certain ones they have) and the best that they can do is say go back to DU (and thats to a FReeper, no less...) ... LOL...
I figure that everyone doesnt buy into the birth certificate issue as being an issue that can get anything accomplished. I havent seen it accomplish too much, except of course, get a lot of people worked up over it. I was worked up over it before the election, too but then the election happened and that was really depressing to see Obama get elected. I thought for sure that with Palin on board, we had a good chance at it. But, boy was I wrong. But, Im still looking forward to voting for Palin in the future.
When I saw what a terrible thing had happened on election day and that no birth certificate was forthcoming, I immediately knew what the solution was which was getting a few states to enact a law that requires a candidate to produce a birth certificate, or else he cant be placed on the ballot in that state. And in fact, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Arizona started that process in their states. Oklahoma failed this session and Im going to work on it again next session.
BUT, in spite of that, some people who want the birth certificate have gone crazy and miss the practical solution of how to *definitely* get that birth certificate (i.e., that state law) and they even argue *against* that state law saying its a DU trick... LOL...
Anyway, just the other day, someone was saying that I was getting paid to post on this birth certificate issue and so I had to let them in on my GOP connections and set them straight on who Im volunteering for (I wish the GOP would pay me, but they wont...).
Heres a post that I gave them... so just they would know whats been going on with me... :-)
Ummm... its the GOP who have been talking to me about my posting, actually... :-)
Theyve said Ive been doing a nice job, but they didnt offer to pay, but said I could keep volunteering as long as I wanted to. But, the nice thing about it, is that they put you in touch with other GOP members, when you volunteer. I guess thats a nice benefit.
I was just talking to Ann Coulter the other day, and she said to me, that this birth certificate issue is politically dead. She said, Star, you know me and I dont back off anything, but this thing is more like the Bildeburgers, than anything else, especially after the State of Hawaii said that hes a natural-born citizen. But she assured me that were going after Obama on his leftist policies no let up there.
She said I should give a holler to Sarah, so I did. I told Sarah I was sorry about all the grief the press was giving her and I didnt believe a thing that they said about her and Todd. So, I decided to ask her about what everyone wants to know. I asked, So, are you going to do it in 2012? Well, she said, Look, Star, you know I cant say anything about that one way or another, but let me ask you if youve noticed something. I said, Okay, what?! She said, Well, you know the ones who have been said to be Presidential possibles..., have you ever heard any of them talking about the birth certificate? I said, Ummm..., no, come to think about it. Sarah then paused and said, You can be sure that anyone who is talking about Obamas birth certificate is not running for President!... I said, Oh, Ive got it, youre not talking about it so, that means.... She interrupted me right there and said, Well, I was just speaking hypothetically, now. I replied, Okay..., gotcha, Sarah!
She told me I should talk to Cheney more specifically about that, if I wanted to know about Obamas birth certificate. Cheney was harder to catch up with, since hes a busy guy, still defending Bush and his administration. When I finally did catch up, he said, Hi, Star..., I hear youve been trying to get a hold of me. What can I do for you? I explained about Sarah and the birth certificate and said I wanted to know about the Certification of the Electoral College vote in Congress. I asked why there were no objections from him in that Certification process, when he had the chance. He said, Look Star, we dont like Obama but were not crazy. We could look down on Obama through our satellites and see what he was reading every day, so there wasnt anything we didnt know about that liberal. Just because he doesnt know who his daddy is, doesnt make him not qualified for office. What were we going to do, make an objection and say, You dont kmow who your daddy is so you cant be President?! That would never work and would have backfired on us in two seconds. There wasnt much to do about it.
I said, Okay, I understand. I was just wondering... He asked me how Steele was doing and we talked for a while then I got off. I had to get on down to Dallas, that evening.
While I was down there I decided to swing on by and see President Bush. I hadnt been in his new house yet, in Dallas. They had to clear me through security and that took a bit, but I waited. Finally got in and the President showed me around. He is like they say, very nice and kind and a gentleman. I never get over being around him. But, this time I was on a mission and so I got down to it. I explained I had been talking to Dick and then asked, What about Obama? Couldnt yall have done more for us? He liked my Southern accent and said I was one of the good ole boys and I say, Yessir, Mr. President, right here in Dallas, no less!
He said, Star, its like this. Can you imagine what those liberals would have done to us with this big depression coming on, and us winning the White House? They would have blamed us for all of it. Now, theyre trying to weasel out of it and were going to nail their hides to the wall this next election! He got a chuckle out of his own explanation... I asked him about perhaps doing something to keep Obama out of there and maybe Clinton in there instead and then there wouldnt be all this trouble. He said, We wanted the dumbest liberal we could find in office!
Oh.., I said. I see...
I asked, Youre not saying that you had anything to do with him being in there, are you. And then, he looked at me and said, Star, all I can tell you is that we dont even know who his daddy is, so hes not the only one... and then he walked away laoughing loudly as he sauntered off to the pool with the rest of the guests. After that, I made my way out and visited the rest of my family in Dallas and then made my way back up to the Buckle of the Bible Belt, good ole Tulsa.
All I can tell you is that I sure do wish the GOP would pay me, instead of me just being a volunteer for them. But, it does have nice side benefits.
Well..., anyway..., I havent been volunteering to post here for the GOP all of the ten years that Ive been around. And its been a nice time and Ive enjoyed posting on various things that are important to conservatives, especially from the standpoint of the Bible and Christianity (which I think is essential to conservatives). So, after about 86 threads started and 23,300 posts done, I still love Free Republic and its the best place around and the only place that I ever want to post on (and I never post to any other forum).
Thanks a lot, Jim for your fine forum...
P.S. I like your posts about the Romney-ites, too... :-) and you know Im absolutely serious about that, and was, right here on Free Republic even back at the turn of the century, with my posting (before Romney was even a candidate).
I’m impressed. You’re a psychic!
;)
Whoa!!!! Can you explain? I’m curious. Ok ok. I’m NOSEY.
I believe she answered yes...
Thank you.
Oh so let me get this straight??? You are saying that they are saying that as soon as all legal challenges to Obama's natural born status are dropped and out of court, then Hawaiian officials promise to show us their vital records????
Oh please -- how stupid do you/they think we are??? Give it a rest --
why’d you ban her?
She was fun.
well that is just crap.
She was fun.
Now I have to wait for the next N00B
Hey!
Good post
Are you being facetious? Sometimes I just can’t tell. lol
I’m not on a first-name basis with the counselor, but she seems like a gadfly to me. Even if she’s hot looking, for a man.
She’s been restored?
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